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Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:18
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.17:31The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00346, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on committee membership, be agreed to.Motion agreed to,That the Parliament agrees the membership of committees of the Parliament as follows—Climate Action Committ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, as amended, is: For 67, Against 25, Abstentions 26.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament welcomes that the...
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
David Green (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I am sorry—I could not connect to the voting app. I would have abstained.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The sixth question is, that motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.1, in the name of David Green, is: For 36, Against 67, Abstentions 16.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Briggs, Miles (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con)Carson, Finlay (Galloway and Wes...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote will be recorded.
Duncan Dunlop (South Scotland) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I apologise—my vote was not recorded. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The fifth question is, that amendment S7M-00309.1, in the name of David Green, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.5, in the name of Murdo Fraser, is: For 26, Against 91, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Briggs, Miles (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con)Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)Currie, Victor (Highlands and Is...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.5, in the name of Murdo Fraser, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.2, in the name of Lorna Slater, is: For 66, Against 27, Abstentions 26.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.2, in the name of Lorna Slater, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.4, in the name of Malcolm Offord, is: For 17, Against 92, Abstentions 9.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Currie, Victor (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Kerr, Thomas (Glasgow) (Reform)Kirkwood, David (South Scotland) (Reform)Langan, Jam...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Malcolm Offord is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Murdo Fraser will fall.The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.4, in the name of Malcolm Offord, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan M...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, is: For 94, Against 15, Abstentions 9.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Okay, thank you.
Lorna Slater (Edinburgh Central) (Green) Green Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
My apologies, Presiding Officer. That was left over from when the app was not working.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
We come to the vote on amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee. Members should cast their vote now.The vote is closed.We have a point of order from Lorna Slater.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division. There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:18Meeting suspended.17:21On resuming—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There are seven questions to be put as a result of today’s business. The first question is, that amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
The question on the motion will be put at decision time.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
I hate to disappoint Ivan McKee, but his speech was not the last speech before the world cup. I will also undoubtedly disappoint other members given that we are looking to get out, but I will not take too long.Members will be aware that standing orders require the Parliamentar...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
Go on—why not?
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Jamie Hepburn) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
I will move and speak to the motion, Presiding Officer.
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
The next item of business is consideration of Parliamentary Bureau motion S7M-00346, on committee membership. I ask Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, to move the motion.17:16
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
That concludes the debate on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Does Mr Kerr want to intervene? I will get the time back, so I am happy to take his point. No, he does not. Okay.We have already saved more than £50 million on estates. I thought that it was 12, but we have now, in fact, shut 13 Scottish Government buildings. Murdo Fraser has ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Mr Kerr, you know to try to intervene rather than to attack from a sedentary position.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I think that the confusion is more broad. The Reform manifesto talks about getting rid of all 130 public bodies—or “quangos”, as they call them. However, there is also a recognition from across the Reform benches that those public bodies—whether Police Scotland, the court syst...
Victor Currie (Highlands and Islands) (Reform) Reform Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Does the cabinet secretary recall that Max Bannerman’s point on community wind farms was that they do not rely on subsidies? Therefore, it forms no contradiction in Reform policy on our opposition to net zero.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Yes. David Barratt also draws out the important point that the inconsistency in the Reform position is quite apparent. Reform members say in their amendment that we should not be talking about this stuff, and then they go on to talk about it from very different and contradicto...
David Barratt SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
—renewable energy schemes and for community-owned wind. Does the cabinet secretary agree that that is not the kind of reform that we need?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Hello. It is not a speech within a speech. It is an intervention.
David Barratt SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
In moving the Reform amendment, Malcolm Offord stated that the Scottish Government should have no remit on net zero and energy, and he suggested cutting public bodies that are responsible for related areas. In contrast, Max Bannerman noted the value of community wind power in ...
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I will take David Barratt’s intervention, and then I will go on to talk about those other contributions.
David Barratt (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
In principle, we need stability of funding and to recognise the great work that happens in community organisations, which I see every week in my constituency. That work is absolutely critical, because those organisations are, to a large extent, the front line, and their abilit...
Bob Doris SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I commend the comments on the third sector that we have heard in the chamber this afternoon. I draw the cabinet secretary’s attention to the Social Justice and Social Security Committee’s report on funding of the third and voluntary sectors, and I highlight the longer-term fun...
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
On reflection, I am happy with the extent of the contributions that we have heard this afternoon. As I indicated at the outset, I was keen to hear from members, and that is what has happened for the most part. I will try to pick my way through the mind map that I have in front...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Before I call the cabinet secretary, I say to members that, if they seek to make an intervention, they should remember to stand up and ask to make an intervention. I notice that buttons are pressed but, sometimes, the speakers do not see who is trying to intervene.17:05
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
We move to the open debate.15:58
Alyn Smith (Stirling) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I congratulate Ivan McKee—I will call him super Ivan, given the scale of his task, based on his speech and the vision that he has set out today.From listening to colleagues from across the chamber, I am struck that there is a lot of common ground here, and I think that we need...
David Green (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I begin by welcoming the cabinet secretary to his new role and wishing him well. As we have already heard, Mr McKee has been handed what might become the defining task of this Government, which is tackling the £5 billion black hole in Scotland’s finances. As Murdo Fraser has j...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I call Murdo Fraser, who joins us online.15:47
Michael Marra Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I point gently to the fact that Alyn Smith’s party had an outright majority in the Parliament for one of those parliamentary sessions, so not having had the numbers is not a foolproof excuse.Alyn Smith will find common ground across different areas. My note of caution to him w...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I should explain that I am having to contribute remotely today due to a family issue; otherwise, I would be in the chamber.I welcome Ivan McKee to his new role as Cabinet Secretary for Public Service Reform. I know that he is keen to dispel the notion that he is here as an axe...
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Meeting of the Parliament 28 May 2024

28 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Visitor Levy (Scotland) Bill
Marra, Michael Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

Scottish Labour welcomes the completion of the bill process and giving local authorities the power to implement levies to help to pay for services to support tourism. We believe that it is right that councils have those powers and that, as various members have pointed out, a balance is struck between the framework that is set nationally and how the provisions are implemented locally. It is right that local authorities make those decisions themselves.

I appreciated the minister’s words when he re-emphasised that the Government does not wish to be prescriptive about how the money is used and does not believe that that would be appropriate.

Miles Briggs pointed out some of the challenges with framework bills, which we have talked about on numerous occasions in the Finance and Public Administration Committee. There is a challenge in getting a framework bill right, setting the outline, ensuring that the Parliament has proper scrutiny of it, and giving individual local authorities the freedom to make that work. There is a tension to be governed in how we legislate in those areas.

An ancillary benefit comes through empowering and building trust and capacity in local government, which has been in decline for so long. It is important that we support local government in that way.

Our tax base should be more varied, resilient and responsive. We should not think of the process as just an extractive process by which we try to take as much money as possible to fund the public services that we all want. We also have to think about taxation that is purposeful and behaviours that can incentivise and encourage. We should think about the intent of taxation in its broader sense.

The support for the tourism industry is critical, but it is also disruptive. Ross Greer pointed that out well. Different challenges present themselves in rural areas and in urban areas in bringing tourists, who are absolutely vital to our economy and society, into Scotland. We need to have a balance in respect of attractiveness to ensure that we bring people here. We need to ensure not only that Scotland is an attractive place to come to physically but that coming here is affordable for people. Daniel Johnson rightly set that out at some length. How do we get tourists to come here? He clearly pointed out the VAT issue. We should think sensitively about the weight that we put on our critical businesses as they try to build their own industry and ensure that we look for them to succeed.

I want to say a little bit about funding. I am absolutely clear that the funding from the levy should not—indeed, it cannot—be used to plug the gaps resulting from the huge cuts to council budgets that we have seen over many years. It cannot be used as a substitute. For example, the SNP Dundee City Council’s plan to close Broughty Ferry castle, Mills observatory and Caird Park golf facilities, which are vital tourism facilities in my home city, is driven by the Government’s decision to target local authorities for cuts year on year.

Jim Spence published a very useful column in The Courier today, in which he said:

“There’s scarcely a whimper from those in city chambers as the fiscal knife is plunged deep into Dundee’s back.

Instead there’s hand wringing acquiescence from our councillors and SNP MPs and MSPs as the city is skewered with cuts to services.”

It is absolutely right that we consider that context when we think about the money that might be generated by the levy.

Mark Griffin pointed out the Accounts Commission’s figures showing that 23.6 per cent of cuts have already been made to leisure and culture in Scotland, with very huge challenges being faced as a result. We also know that the broader cuts to our local authority budgets make health poorer and lead to declining education, less-safe streets and less-sustainable communities as we address the £6 billion black hole resulting from the Government’s decisions.

Colleagues are right to welcome the minister’s constructive engagement during the bill’s passage—I welcome that, too. We are glad to see movement on the measure, but it is vital that the levy is delivered sensitively, for the good of all our communities.

18:25  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
As members will be aware, at this point in the proceedings the Presiding Officer is required under standing orders to decide whether, in her view, any provis...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Shona Robison) SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of standing orders, I advise Parliament that His Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Visitor Levy (Scotland) Bi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-13349, in the name of Tom Arthur, on the Visitor Levy (Scotland) Bill at stage 3. Members who wish to spe...
The Minister for Employment and Investment (Tom Arthur) SNP
Before I turn to the content of the bill, I thank members for the thoughtful and constructive way in which many of them have engaged with it as it has progre...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
As per our interactions on the amendments, I think that the group is a good way of striking the balance. However, I wonder what will happen to the group once...
Tom Arthur SNP
I think that there is a need for on-going engagement. The point that Mr Johnson raises speaks to the importance of not only the review period in individual l...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am curious as to whether the funds that are raised through the levy will have to be spent in the given financial year or whether there could be scope for a...
Tom Arthur SNP
The scheme sets out very clear requirements about objectives and very clear reporting requirements, including separate accounting for the levy that is raised...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the Parliament’s clerks for the support that they provided me with during the passage of the bill—albeit that my amendments have perhaps not met with...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Miles Briggs Con
I do not know whether I have time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Briefly, Mr Carson.
Finlay Carson Con
Does Mr Briggs agree that, by offering cheap camping holidays, businesses such as Loch Ken holiday park, Auchenlarie holiday park and Brighouse Bay holiday p...
Miles Briggs Con
That is why I lodged a set of amendments, working with the caravan and camping sector, which were intended to ensure that the sector would not be impacted by...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Briggs, I have to ask you to conclude.
Miles Briggs Con
—to address the negative impacts on businesses and on the most vulnerable.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Mark Griffin to open on behalf of Scottish Labour. 17:50
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee; the minister and his bill team; the Parliament’s legislation team; and all the organisations th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call on Ariane Burgess to open on behalf of the Scottish Greens. 17:55
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I start by thanking the Parliament clerks, the clerks of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, the bill team and all the stakeholders who joi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Liam McArthur to open on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats. 17:59
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I join others in thanking the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee and all those who gave evidence to it, including people in Orkney. I pay tribu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 18:04
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
I thank my fellow Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee members and colleagues for their detailed consideration of the Visitor Levy (Scotland) Bil...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Willie Coffey SNP
I am sorry—I have four minutes. We have probably heard enough debate for the day and I can see that members are desperate to get home. Although I do not exp...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful to be contributing to today’s stage 3 debate on the Visitor Levy (Scotland) Bill from the Scottish Conservative benches. I echo what was said e...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee and its clerks for their work through stages 1 and 2. I also highlight the way in which th...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
It has been about five years since the Scottish Greens first secured a commitment to the bill’s being introduced. That happened as part of annual budget nego...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour welcomes the completion of the bill process and giving local authorities the power to implement levies to help to pay for services to support...