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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
Everyone has now voted. Once again, I ask scrutineers and candidates to please go to the back of the chamber. The votes will be counted for the final time.In the final round of voting to elect a second Deputy Presiding Officer, the number of votes that were cast for each candi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
Ballot papers up the back. Please vote now.Members voted by secret ballot.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
I declare that the election for the second Deputy Presiding Officer is now open. The voting procedures are the same as before.Members voted by secret ballot.The Presiding Officer:Voting in this round of the Deputy Presiding Officer election is closed. I invite the scrutineers,...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
Voting for this round of the Deputy Presiding Officer election is now closed. I invite scrutineers to proceed to the back of the chamber for the count. Again, candidates may also observe the count.Colleagues, you will be delighted to know that we have a result. In this round o...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
Okay, folks, you know the drill. Ballot papers are at the back of the chamber.Members voted by secret ballot.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
Good afternoon, everyone. I am glad that you are all with us once more. This will be the last voting session of the afternoon, you will be glad to know—before you can all depart the scene.I have received five valid nominations for the position of Deputy Presiding Officer, and ...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
The first meeting of the seventh session of the Parliament is now resumed. I have received five valid nominations for the position of Deputy Presiding Officer. I shall now announce the nominees and ask all candidates, as their names are announced, to make themselves known to t...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
Okay, folks. I have just been given some instructions about what will happen next. However, before that, I want to thank every member who has participated in this voting process. My belated congratulations to them if I have not already spoken to them about winning their own el...
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
Voting in the third round of the election of the Presiding Officer is closed. I invite any scrutineers appointed by the candidates to go to the back of the chamber to observe the counting of ballot papers. Candidates may also observe the count.In this round of voting in the el...
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
This voting period is now open, using the same voting procedure as before.Members voted by secret ballot.
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
Voting in this round of the Presiding Officer election is closed. I invite the scrutineers to proceed to the back of the chamber for the counting of votes. Again, candidates may also observe the count.In the second round of voting in the election of the Presiding Officer, the ...
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
Voting in the first round of the election of the Presiding Officer is closed. I now invite any scrutineers appointed by the candidates to go to the back of the chamber to observe the counting of ballot papers. Candidates may also observe the count.In the first round of voting ...
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
As previously announced, I have received four valid nominations. In alphabetical order, the nominees are: Kenneth Gibson, Clare Haughey, Liam McArthur and Stuart McMillan.The election shall proceed in accordance with rule 11.9 of standing orders. If no member receives an overa...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
The first meeting of the seventh session of the Parliament is resumed. I have received four valid nominations for the position of Presiding Officer. I shall now announce the nominations and ask all candidates, as their names are announced, to make themselves known to the chamb...
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
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I wish to inform members that nominations for the position of Presiding Officer will open at 12.30 pm. Nomination forms can be collected from the parliamentary business team, which is situated in T1.03. Completed nomination forms should be returned to the parliamentary busines...
Kate Campbell (Edinburgh Eastern, Musselburgh and Tranent) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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My first allegiance is to the people of Scotland, who are sovereign.I, Kate Rosa Campbell, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Stephen Gethins (Dundee City East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Stephen Patrick Gethins, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Jenny Young (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Jenny Young, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, David Herd Torrance, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Maree Todd (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Maree Todd, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.Tha mise Maree Todd, gu sòlaimte is fìrinneach a’ cur an cèill agus ag innse gum bi mi d...
Alison Thewliss (Glasgow Central) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Alison Thewliss, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.Tha mise Alison Thewliss, gu sòlaimte is fìrinneach a’ cur an cèill agus ag innse g...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Paul John Sweeney, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Collette Stevenson (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Collette Stevenson, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Pauline Stafford (Bathgate) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I pledge my allegiance to the people of Scotland, who are sovereign.I, Pauline Stafford, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Shirley-Anne Somerville (Dunfermline) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Shirley-Anne Somerville, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
David Smith (West Scotland) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, David Haydn Smith, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Alyn Smith (Stirling) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Alyn Edward Smith, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Lorna Slater (Edinburgh Central) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
My first allegiance is to the people of Scotland, who are sovereign.I, Lorna Jane Slater, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Mark Simpson (North East Scotland) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Mark Simpson, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Graham Simpson, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Kim Schmulian (Glasgow) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Kim Schmulian, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Katherine Sangster (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Katherine Blackstock Sangster, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
In my heart, my allegiance is to the people of Scotland.I, Mark Ruskell, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Angela Ross (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Angela Ross, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Emma Roddick (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I make this affirmation under protest in order to sit in this Parliament, where my allegiance will be to the people of Inverness and Nairn.I, Emma Roddick, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King...
Willie Rennie (Fife North East) (LD) LD Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, William Cowan Rennie, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Kirsten Oswald (Eastwood) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Kirsten Frances Oswald, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Kate Nevens (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I make this affirmation to the sovereign people of Scotland and pledge that, in all my actions, the interests of the Scottish people shall be paramount over and above those of the monarchy.I, Kate Nevens, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be fait...
Laura Moodie (South Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
My affirmation is to the sovereign people of Scotland, whose interests I will always serve before those of the monarchy.I, Laura Moodie, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
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I believe that the people of this country should be citizens, not subjects, and my first allegiance is to them.I, Carol Ann Mochan, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and ...
Laura Mitchell (Moray) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Laura Mitchell, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.I, Laura Mitchell, gie my depone, solemnly and sincerely, aat I wull be faithful and...
Jenni Minto (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Jenni Minto, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Jack Middleton (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I declare that my first loyalty will always be to the people of Scotland.I, Jack Middleton, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Colm Merrick (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Colm Merrick, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Lloyd Melville (Angus South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Lloyd Alexander Melville, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Pauline Mary McNeill, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Marie Alexandra McNair, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Stuart McMillan (Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Stuart McMillan, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Paul McLennan (East Lothian Coast and Lammermuirs) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Paul Stewart McLennan, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Easterhouse and Springburn) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Ivan McKee, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Cara McKee (West Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Cara McKee, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Helen McDade (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Helen McDade, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Liam Scott McArthur, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Màiri McAllan (Clydesdale) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Màiri Louise McAllan, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Duncan Massey (North East Scotland) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Duncan Massey, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
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My allegiance is to the people of Scotland, who are sovereign.I, Gillian Anne Martin, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Michael Marra, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Q Manivannan (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
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I make the affirmation for the people of Scotland and their care, my bonnie, bonnie home.I, Q Manivannan, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
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14 May 2026
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Committee

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 27 February 2024

27 Feb 2024 · S6 · Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Item of business
Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Dr Emily Ottley (University of Winchester) Watch on SPTV
Lovely. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Emily Ottley. I am a lecturer in law at the University of Winchester. As you just explained, I was asked to undertake an international comparison of safe access zone legislation to support the committee’s scrutiny of the Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill. I conducted my research using secondary research methods, specifically doctrinal analysis of the relevant legislation and case law, and a literature review of, principally, parliamentary reports but also relevant academic literature, where that was available. I have looked at safe access zone legislation from England and Wales, Northern Ireland, New Zealand, the Isle of Man, Australia, Canada, the USA and the Republic of Ireland. Within Australia, Canada and the United States of America, there is a variety of safe access zone legislation. All eight Australian states and territories, six Canadian provinces and five states in the USA have safe access zone legislation. Therefore, in total, I looked at safe access zone legislation in 24 jurisdictions. The safe access zone bill in the Republic of Ireland is making its way through the Irish Parliament, so it is not yet law. It is widely expected that the Government bill will eventually become law, although there might be some differences from the bill that was passed by the Dáil in November 2023, which is what I used in my research. I should add that, given the scope of my research, I have not examined the Scottish bill as introduced in detail. Spain also has safe access zone legislation, but I excluded that jurisdiction from my research due to difficulties in accessing the law in English. Also, Spain has a civil rather than common law legal system, which makes it different. In relation to each safe access zone law, I considered the details of the provisions in the legislation, the context that informed the introduction of the legislation, any challenges that were encountered during or after the passage of the legislation and the impact of the legislation. I will summarise my four key findings. I will not speak for long so that there is plenty of time to respond to members’ questions. My first key finding concerns the details that the provisions in such legislation contain. Safe access zone legislation is characterised by creating, or providing for the creation of, a protective area around premises where abortion services are provided. However, the details of the provisions in the safe access zone legislation that I looked at vary considerably between jurisdictions, in particular with regard to the method for the creation of the protective areas; the size of those areas; the behaviour that is prohibited within them; and the penalties for violating the law. I will comment briefly on each of those elements; the four comparison tables that are included at the end of my report provide further detail. First, with regard to the method for the creation of the protective areas, the key point of distinction is whether safe access zones apply automatically to all premises where abortion services are provided, as in England and Wales, or whether some additional step is required to create a safe access zone outside a particular premises. That additional step may involve merely notification by premises operators, as in Northern Ireland, or a more formal application-and-review process, such as the one that has been established in New Zealand. Alternatively, legislation may afford some official a power either to create safe access zones, as in the Australian Capital Territory, or to identify protected premises, as can be seen in Alberta and Nova Scotia. Secondly, with regard to the size of the protective areas, that typically falls somewhere between 50m and 150m. However, the protective areas in the US legislation are noticeably smaller. The largest, in Colorado, is 100 feet, which—if my maths is right—is approximately 30m. Colorado, along with Montana, also has an additional smaller floating zone around persons who are within the larger fixed zone. That is essentially to prevent protesters from approaching clinic users and staff outside the clinic. A key distinction with regard to the size of the protective areas concerns whether there is scope for its extension or reduction. In England and Wales, for example, all safe access zones are 150m; that cannot be extended if 150m is insufficient, nor reduced if 150m is excessive. In contrast, a safe access zone in Northern Ireland is 100m as standard, but it can be extended up to 250m for a particular clinic where 100m would not be adequate to afford safe access to the premises. In Queensland, in Australia, safe access zones are 150m as standard, but a smaller or greater distance can be prescribed in regulation. Queensland is actually a relatively rare example of a law that allows the protective area to be reduced, not just extended, in size. Queensland is also fairly unusual because it does not set an upper limit for the extension of safe access zones. The size of the protective areas is sometimes connected to the method of creation for those areas. Quite often, where protective areas are not created automatically, the size of the area will be determined case by case, as part of the process for establishing a protective area. There may be an upper limit set out in law for that, as in New Zealand, or a minimum size, as can be seen in the Australian Capital Territory. Thirdly, with regard to the behaviour that is prohibited in protective areas, England and Wales, along with Northern Ireland, prohibit any act that is done with the intent of, or reckless as to whether it has the effect of, influencing a person in their decision, obstructing or impeding access to the premises, or causing harassment, alarm or distress. In contrast, most other jurisdictions specify particular behaviours or activities that are prohibited. The prohibited activities and how they are formulated in the law vary, but there are some common examples. Those include recording persons; obstructing or impeding access to premises; threatening or intimidating persons; expressing disapproval of abortion; advising or persuading persons who are accessing or providing abortion; informing persons on matters relating to abortion; and continued or repeated observation of premises. Again, the US stands out, in particular in Colorado and Montana, where all that is prohibited is protesters physically approaching clinic users and staff in close proximity to the premises. Finally, with regard to penalties, all the jurisdictions that I looked at impose fines, although the amount varies. The key distinction in that regard is whether imprisonment is also a possibility. Anti-abortion protesters who violate the law can be imprisoned in most Australian states and territories, with the exception of the Australian Capital Territory; in most Canadian provinces, with the exception of Québec; in three out of the five US states; and in the Isle of Man. There is currently also provision for imprisonment in the Irish bill. Notably, however, imprisonment is not an option in England and Wales, Northern Ireland or New Zealand. 10:00 I will now move on from the details of the provisions contained in the legislation to my second key finding, which concerns the context informing the introduction of the legislation. Typically, safe access zone legislation is passed in response to concern about current or future protest in the vicinity of premises where abortion services are provided and a desire to ensure good access to abortion services. In England and Wales, the number of women who are currently affected by protests was emphasised in the parliamentary debates. Elsewhere, the frequency, continuity and severity of protests have been relevant. In some places, a perceived escalation of some kind has been significant. The Isle of Man is a really interesting example, because there had not really been any protest activity of the kind that we are talking about. However, after anti-abortion protesters had visited the island to protest against the proposed reform of abortion law more generally, members of the House of Keys were concerned that the Isle of Man would experience more protest activity, including outside premises where abortions were provided, once abortion was more widely available there. There was a perceived risk of anti-abortion protest activity in the future. We see that elsewhere, too. There was concern that South Australia would become the only Australian state without safe access zone legislation, and protests could therefore become a big problem there. The existing lack of legal measures that could adequately deal with protests in the vicinity of premises where abortion services are provided was a common justification for safe access zone legislation across all the jurisdictions that I looked at. Interestingly, those who opposed the passage of safe access zone legislation would often argue that laws already existed that could respond to the perceived problem. Often, but not always, provision for safe access zones is made alongside or shortly after broader abortion law reform that liberalises access to abortion services. The Isle of Man is a good example of the former, and Northern Ireland and New Zealand are examples of the latter. England and Wales, and indeed Scotland, do not fit that pattern. I note that the climate of severe anti-abortion violence is unique to the United States, although there have been instances of anti-abortion violence in Australia and Canada. That unique context is reflected in US law, which, as I have mentioned, is noticeably different to that in the other jurisdictions that I considered as part of my research. I now move on to my third key finding, which concerns the challenges encountered during or after the passage of the legislation. It clearly stood out to me that the most significant challenge encountered both during and after the passage of safe access zone legislation has been in achieving a satisfactory balance between the rights of those who wish to protest at clinics and the rights of clinic users and staff. It is of course necessary to strike an appropriate balance in order to comply with human rights and constitutional obligations. That challenge is clear from the parliamentary debates, where those who oppose safe access zone legislation criticise bills for going too far, while others struggle to frame the bills in such a way as to strike that appropriate balance. There is a really close connection between that challenge and the details of the provisions contained within the legislation, particularly with regard to the activities that are prohibited within the protective area. That challenge is also clear from a number of court cases in Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia and the USA that were brought by protesters, who claimed that safe access zone legislation violated their rights and the rights of other protesters. Most of those legal challenges have been unsuccessful, including the challenge to the Northern Irish law. The United Kingdom Supreme Court acknowledged that making it an offence “to do an act in a safe access zone with the intent of, or reckless as to whether it has the effect of ... influencing a protected person” interferes with protesters’ rights to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, freedom of expression and freedom of assembly under articles 9, 10 and 11 of the European convention on human rights. However, the court ultimately concluded that that interference was proportionate, and therefore that the law was compatible with the convention. A second challenge, which is worth briefly mentioning, is a delay, once legislation has been passed, in safe access zones coming into effect outside premises that provide abortion services. We might expect such a delay in countries in which zones are not automatically created but are instead subject to an application process, as in New Zealand. However, there has also been a delay in England and Wales. The relevant bill received royal assent on 2 May 2023, but the section that establishes safe access zones is still not in force—not when I checked last night, anyway. It is expected to happen soon. Publication of non-statutory guidance is coming, and the commencement of the relevant section will follow in due course. There has been a period of consultation on the draft guidance, but I am not aware of a specified date. My fourth and final key finding concerns the impact of the legislation. The availability of evidence on the impact of safe access zone legislation is, generally, very limited, although some academic research on the efficacy of safe access zones in Australia has been done, by Ronli Sifris and Tania Penovic. They interviewed professionals from across Australia and concluded that the safe access zones were achieving their objectives of protecting the rights of patients and staff to privacy, facilitating safe access to services without fear, and reducing misinformation and stigma. Although the researchers noted that some protesters had maintained a presence outside the protected areas, they thought that the distancing away from the premises was significant. I suspect that the lack of evidence and research to date is due at least in part to the fact that much of the safe access zone legislation has been passed only very recently. Sources that are cited in my report have called for further research to be done in due course. The legislation in Northern Ireland and the bill in the Republic of Ireland require a review of the efficacy of both safe access zones and the operation of the legislation. That might prove to be a useful source for looking into impact, in the future. Thank you for your attention. I look forward to answering members’ questions.

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The Convener SNP
The next item on our agenda is a presentation from Emily Ottley, who undertook commissioned research for the committee on an international comparison of abor...
Dr Emily Ottley (University of Winchester)
Lovely. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Emily Ottley. I am a lecturer in law at the University of Winchester. As you just explained, I was asked to under...
The Convener SNP
Thank you very much, Emily.
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
On that final point about how recently most of those measures have been implemented and the lack of evidence about impact, is there even any anecdotal indica...
Dr Ottley
Yes, definitely. In particular, anecdotal evidence from service providers and clinic users is generally very positive, even when a presence of protesters has...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Thanks for the presentation. I have a couple of questions. The first revolves around what has been said about a slippery slope argument in other jurisdiction...
Dr Ottley
I have not seen the phrase “slippery slope” used in any of the reports that I have read, but people are concerned about the fact that legislation often targe...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
The other question, which has come up in other places, revolves around silent prayer. It is sometimes impossible to know whether people are protesting—someti...
Dr Ottley
That is a good question. Whether silent prayer is included in the prohibited activities varies depending on the jurisdiction. In one jurisdiction, the point ...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Yes. Could you expand on the point about what difference it makes if safe access zones are included in protest legislation rather than in other legislation? ...
Dr Ottley
Different people see it in different ways, but there might be a perception, which seems to come across in some of the Hansard reports, that “anti-abortion” p...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
My question follows on from Sandesh Gulhane’s question about silent prayer. Does the other legislation look at the number of people standing outside a clinic...
Dr Ottley
None of the legislation that I have looked at says that a certain number of people is or is not okay. The legislation is generally quite broad in what is pro...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
This has been really useful. I am interested in what you said about some of the legislation that you have looked at listing prohibited behaviour. The sense w...
Dr Ottley
Some of the parliamentary debates show some concern about how to characterise a particular behaviour. Some of the legal challenges regarding human rights com...
Emma Harper SNP
My next question is on a different subject—the rights of protesters versus those of women who are seeking an abortion. Our briefing papers say that the Unite...
Dr Ottley
To go back to the UK Supreme Court judgment in the Northern Ireland case, the court explicitly said that it was prioritising the rights of women who were acc...
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
Thank you for your interesting research on the issue. I have a couple of questions about impact. You mentioned a couple of legal cases that have been unsucce...
Dr Ottley
On successful challenges, in the US, an earlier version of the Massachusetts law made it an offence to knowingly enter or remain within 35 feet—about 11m—of ...
Ivan McKee SNP
That is fine. I suppose that it is too early to say how such charges progress, if and when they are brought, with regard to giving some clarity on what behav...
Dr Ottley
Perhaps I did not explain that super well. The Public Order Act 2023, which applies to England and Wales, has been in the news as a controversial piece of le...
Ivan McKee SNP
No—that is fine. If I understand it correctly, that legislation makes a clear distinction between other protests and abortion zone provisions. Is that correct?
Dr Ottley
Yes. Section 9 of the 2023 act is singled out as relating to abortion safe access zones.
The Convener SNP
Sandesh Gulhane wants to come in.
Sandesh Gulhane Con
Thank you, convener—it is just to declare an interest as a practising national health service general practitioner.
The Convener SNP
Thank you. Ross Greer wants to come in.
Ross Greer Green
I will be brief. Dr Ottley, I am interested to know how, in any of the examples that you came across, the legislation, ordinance or whatever it was engaged w...
Dr Ottley
Not as far as I am aware. I recall reading about behaviour that could happen in situations in which there were churches in a zone—for example, about whether ...
Ross Greer Green
I am talking about the impact on behaviour, such as in the example that you gave. A church can put a sign outside, just as somebody could put a sign in their...
Dr Ottley
Yes—for sure. That is connected to the size of the zones. Some people who do not agree with safe access zone legislation but might prefer a case-by-case PSPO...