Committee
Local Government and Communities Committee 10 February 2021
10 Feb 2021 · S5 · Local Government and Communities Committee
Item of business
Subordinate Legislation
Homeless Persons (Unsuitable Accommodation) (Scotland) (Modification and Revocation) (Coronavirus) Order 2021 (SSI 2021/10)
Marion Gibbs
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The unsuitable accommodation order still applies to pregnant women and families with children. We still have the normal rule that has been in place since 2014—when the time was changed from 14 days to seven days—so if a local authority has a household with children or pregnant women in unsuitable accommodation for more than seven days, it will be in breach of the order. We know that local authorities try hard to move people on from unsuitable accommodation as quickly as possible. It could be that, during an emergency or an out-of-hours situation, a bed and breakfast might be the only solution that a local authority can use, but it would then seek to move those people out as quickly as possible. Edinburgh was having the biggest struggle with that, and we know that it has definitely moved people out of unsuitable temporary accommodation as quickly as possible in order to minimise breaches. 09:45
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Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Ind)
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Andy Wightman
Ind
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Kevin Stewart
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Marion Gibbs
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The Convener
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The Convener
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