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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
That concludes the urgent question. We will have a one-minute break to switch over, after which we will resume with portfolio questions.The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
I understand the motivation behind Mr Smith’s questions. He will understand that Police Scotland, the Courts and Tribunals Service and the Crown are rightly independent of Government. However, what we are able to see from the footage that Mr Kerr and Mr Smith have alluded to s...
Alyn Smith (Stirling) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
I commend Paul Sweeney for his contributions in the chamber. There is a lot of unanimity across the Parliament, and we should all be careful with our words in general when discussing such matters.These are aggravated offences. I commend the cabinet secretary for his response, ...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
I agree with Mr Kerr’s points. Of course, there is a right to protest and to organise peacefully, but that is not what we saw last night. We saw thuggery and intimidatory tactics seeking to divide communities. They will not succeed in Scotland.Last night, I was in live dialogu...
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
Looking at the footage of last night’s events, we see that it was not protest but criminal disorder. Families should be able to go about their daily lives in Scotland without fear of violence, intimidation or public disorder from a gang of balaclava-clad hooligans.Will the cab...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
In the first instance, those efforts are being led by Police Scotland in the work that it is doing to reassure communities across Scotland. Work is ongoing in Government to ensure that we are able to protect and enhance communities, including minority ethnic groups and religio...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen and Cambuslang) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
The scenes in Glasgow city centre and in other parts of Scotland—and, indeed, in Belfast—were truly shocking. Those scenes and all racism must be condemned by all parties in the chamber. Shame on those who choose not to do so.How will the Scottish Government reach out to and w...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
I fundamentally and completely agree with what Paul Sweeney has said—I believe that to my core. We are a welcoming nation. We have benefited from migration to this country and we continue to benefit from it. I say that particularly given the offices that I have held in health ...
Paul Sweeney Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
Some members of the Parliament have sought to fan the flames of division with continual talk of “strangers” and calls for further protests tonight. Does the cabinet secretary agree that every one of us in the Parliament has a duty to calm tensions in this country and not to in...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
Before Paul Sweeney comes back in, I say to him that I am looking for questions rather than speeches. Other members are keen to come in, so it is important that we keep questions as brief as possible.
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
I completely agree with everything that Paul Sweeney has put on the record in his supplementary question. The Scottish Government’s approach is grounded in tackling hate consistently and proportionately across all communities, which is underpinned by a zero-tolerance stance on...
Paul Sweeney Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
Last night, racist thugs stormed through the centre of Glasgow under the white nationalist slogan “White lives matter”. Members of the public were attacked indiscriminately because of the colour of their skin, and two police officers were injured. My prayers are with those who...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Neil Gray) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
The actions of a very small number of individuals in parts of Scotland last night, which included the assaulting of police officers and members of minority ethnic communities, are shocking and unacceptable. Violence and racism have no place on our streets, and I utterly condem...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
To ask the Scottish Government what urgent action it will take in response to the reported violent racist demonstrations that took place last night in Glasgow.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Urgent Question
14:04
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Today’s business begins with the results of the elections for committee conveners. I will announce the results for each committee in turn.Stuart McMillan has been elected as convener of the Climate Action Committee. The total number of ballots was 121 and the results were as f...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
It is disappointing that Mr Hoy does not welcome the prospect of a GP walk-in service for Stranraer. The important point is that the purpose of GP walk-in services is to free up capacity in the primary care system, so that people across our constituencies and regions can be se...
Craig Hoy (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
It is 77 miles from Sanquhar to Stranraer, which is a journey that takes a minimum of two hours by car or at least four hours by bus. Given that my constituents will be expected to make that journey to access the GP walk-in centre in Stranraer, does that not expose the policy ...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
I expect the Glasgow site to open later this month. I very much appreciate the health board’s hard work to get the services up and running. I am sure that Michelle Campbell will join me in welcoming the opening of the sites and thanking our hard-working national health service...
Michelle Campbell (Renfrewshire North and Cardonald) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
Work is well under way in preparation for Glasgow’s first walk-in clinic opening. Can the Scottish Government offer an update on when that wonderful resource for the good people of Cardonald will be open?
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
Ms Gibson has made an important point about reducing health inequality by improving access to healthcare. The Government is committed to providing a North Ayrshire walk-in service, which was one of the 14 additional services that were announced. That brings the total number of...
Patricia Gibson SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
North Ayrshire’s people have Scotland’s lowest healthy life expectancy. The average adult remains in full health until just 53 years old. More than 28 per cent of people live with a long-term health condition, which is 6 per cent higher than the Scottish average. In view of th...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Care (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
I have committed to expanding the walk-in service programme and will set out how I will do so in the first 100 days of this Government. Health boards were previously asked to generate proposals that considered their populations’ needs, taking into account local issues and circ...
Patricia Gibson (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · GP Walk-in Centres (North Ayrshire)
To ask the Scottish Government when it expects a general practitioner walk-in centre to open in North Ayrshire. (S7O-00023)
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
The short answer is yes. I am happy to meet Ms Minto or any other member to discuss the matter further. The challenge of multiple organisations drawing on small rural populations is not new. The SFRS works collaboratively with a range of partners, including the coastguard serv...
Jenni Minto (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
I appreciate that these are independent decisions to be made by the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, but I am interested to know whether the Scottish Government is looking at the cumulative impact of those changes on, for example, other rescue services such as the coastguard,...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
I am more than happy to explore that with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service in order to ensure that we are in a position to respond to the changing nature of fire and flood risk across Scotland. The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service’s very successful prevention activities, a...
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
Ministers previously told Parliament that almost £1 million of specialist wildfire pumping units would be deployed within weeks. A Scottish Conservative freedom of information request later revealed that they were still not operational, during Scotland’s worst wildfire season ...
Neil Gray SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
These are independent decisions for the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service to make, but it is open to Parliament to take a view on those matters—in the way that a view is normally taken, for example, on investigations undertaken through the committee structure—or otherwise. Obvi...
Joe Fagan Lab Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
There is profound concern about the potential outcomes of the service delivery review, not least from the firefighters and their union. Given the gravity of the decisions that are about to be made, does the Government agree that there should be full parliamentary scrutiny and ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Neil Gray) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
I met the SFRS board chair on 4 June, when we discussed the overall objectives of the service delivery review and the consultation and outreach process that the SFRS has undertaken. Recent large fires in Glasgow and Fife have been dealt with commendably by our front-line firef...
Joe Fagan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)
To ask the Scottish Government what discussions it has had with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service board regarding the outcome of the service delivery review that is due to be considered on 22 June. (S7O-00022)
Stephen Flynn SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I am happy to answer.If Mr Cole-Hamilton wishes to write to me, I will write back to him as swiftly as I possibly can.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
That was not quite on the nose for the general question, but do you want to respond, cabinet secretary?
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh North Western) (LD) LD Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I hope that the cabinet secretary will agree that one of the safest ways to get students from Kirkliston in my constituency to their catchment high school in South Queensferry is via the council-funded coach service that has been operating well there for several years. A decis...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I realise that everyone is finding their feet, including me. I remind members that they should only press their button if they want to ask a supplementary to the general question that has been asked.Alex Cole-Hamilton has a supplementary.
Lloyd Melville (Angus South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
My apologies, Presiding Officer. I pressed my button in error, thinking that I would have to do that for my general question later on.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
Lloyd Melville has a supplementary.
Julie MacDougall Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I apologise.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
That is not relevant to this question. We are on supplementaries to the question that Patrick Harvie asked.
Julie MacDougall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I recently met the chief executive of Forth Valley College. It was incredibly harrowing to hear about how apprenticeship courses are being cut—
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
Julie MacDougall has a supplementary.
Stephen Flynn SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
Mr Harvie will be pleased to know that £3.2 million is still going to regional transport partnerships—£1.6 million will be available for local direct awards and £1.4 million is going to bikeability schemes, which all our weans can benefit from. Of course, that forms part of a ...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I am sorry that the cabinet secretary did not choose to answer that question by explaining why the cut took place and why it took place during the election purdah period. I have returned to my job to meet local community organisations that are doing the work that the Scottish ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Tourism and Transport (Stephen Flynn) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
I thank Patrick Harvie for his question, because it gives me the opportunity to restate what the First Minister said. We support cycling, walking and wheeling, which is why £226 million-worth of investment is going into sustainable and active travel. I am very proud of that—I ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
09 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Active Travel (Funding)
To ask the Scottish Government, in light of comments made by the First Minister in the Parliament on 2 June that the Scottish Government prioritises active and safe travel routes and the encouragement of cycling, walking and wheeling, for what reason Transport Scotland reporte...
Stephen Kerr Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Thank you.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Yes.
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. For guidance, would it be possible for the same person to be nominated again in those circumstances?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
The process is opened again for further nominations. However, to be clear, any other member who is nominated will have to come from the party from which the original member was selected.
Helen McDade Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
What happens then?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
If a candidate receives the majority of votes, that candidate will become the committee convener. If the majority is against it, that candidate will not be the committee convener.
Helen McDade (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I just wonder what the process is. Can you explain what happens once a vote has been cast when there is only one candidate, so that we know what we are voting against?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Willie Rennie’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Fifteen out of 15 convenerships will be subject to secret ballots.I have also received two valid nominations for convener of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. The nomin...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Craig Hoy’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Willie Rennie has been nominated as convener of the Transport Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was received.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Mark Ruskell’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Craig Hoy has been nominated as convener of the Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button n...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Bob Doris’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Mark Ruskell has been nominated as convener of the Rural Affairs Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Paul Sweeney’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Bob Doris has been nominated as convener of the Public Service Reform Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Neil Bibby’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Paul Sweeney has been nominated as convener of the Public Petitions Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
09 Jun 2026
Committee Conveners
Helen McDade’s election as convener will be subject to election by secret ballot.Neil Bibby has been nominated as convener of the Public Audit Committee. If any member objects to his election as convener, please press your point-of-order button now.An objection was noted.
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Audit Committee, 10 Dec 2008

10 Dec 2008 · S3 · Audit Committee
Item of business
Section 23 Reports
“The First ScotRail passenger rail franchise”
Mr Robert Black (Auditor General for Scotland): Watch on SPTV
Good morning, convener. My report on the First ScotRail passenger rail franchise was published on 28 November. It looks at Transport Scotland's management of the franchise contract, including a review of the process for awarding the franchise extension. It also looks at First ScotRail's performance.The first point to make is that First ScotRail's performance to date has been good overall and continues to improve in the items that really matter to people, which are punctuality of running, unscheduled changes to timetables, cancellations and quality of service generally. Secondly, Transport Scotland is generally managing the franchise contract effectively, and the performance measures it uses to assess First ScotRail are generally appropriate. However, there is some scope to improve. Finally, by extending the franchise, Transport Scotland has secured a guaranteed £73.1 million that will be used to reduce the Government subsidy or invested in rail services. Transport Scotland has also made some of the existing contract requirements more challenging for the operator. However, I found that some aspects of the governance arrangements for extending the franchise could have been better.If I may, convener, I will go through some points briefly. On the background, as members will be aware, the current franchise was let in 2004 by the Strategic Rail Authority and the Strathclyde Passenger Transport Executive. That was before rail responsibilities were devolved to Scotland. Transport Scotland took over the management and monitoring of the franchise in January 2006. Because of that, my report does not cover the awarding of the original contract, which fell before the period when rail transport was devolved to the Scottish Parliament. The franchise contract was initially established as a seven-year term with an option to extend for a further three years. In April this year, the franchise was extended to November 2014. The size of the contract is considerable, with First ScotRail due to receive £2.5 billion in Government subsidy over the 10-year term.I have divided the report into three parts. The first part looks at the management of the franchise, the second examines the franchise extension and the third looks at the performance of First ScotRail itself. If I may, I will offer a few comments on the first part, which is about how Transport Scotland is managing the franchise contract and monitoring First ScotRail's performance. As part of the contract, Transport Scotland can financially reward or penalise First ScotRail in relation to its performance. Transport Scotland is effectively managing the core aspects of the contract. It reviews First ScotRail's performance, and the evidence is that it acts quickly to address poor performance and has clear escalation procedures to resolve issues and concerns.However, I suggest that Transport Scotland could improve some aspects of its management of the franchise. First, passengers and the public—let us call them stakeholders—are not able to go to a single source of information on the contract and First ScotRail's performance.Secondly, the current performance measures are generally effective, but they could be reviewed to align them more closely with the concerns of passengers and also with wider Government priorities. That could mean, for example, giving a higher priority to areas of low passenger satisfaction, such as toilet facilities on trains and how First ScotRail deals with delays when they occur, and the introduction of environmental outcome measures to reflect the Scottish Government's priority to reduce emissions.Thirdly, although a number of transport stakeholders told Audit Scotland that Transport Scotland consults well on specific projects, they feel that it has not clarified with them its consultation arrangements.The second part of my report deals with the arrangements for extending the contract. As I said, the option for an extension was included in the original franchise contract and Transport Scotland became concerned that key aspects of the original contract were no longer fit for purpose. Within its first year of operating, First ScotRail was performing above its punctuality and capacity targets and it had reached the point at which it was returning 80 per cent of the additional revenue that it made to the Scottish Government. Transport Scotland was concerned that low revenue returns to First ScotRail from investment might discourage it from making further service improvements. Transport Scotland therefore believed that an early review would be in the public interest.Audit Scotland has found that Transport Scotland used a rigorous appraisal process; it modelled a range of scenarios and used expert consultants to review its work and provide advice. The extension of the franchise contract was announced in April. As a result of the franchise extension, Transport Scotland has secured a guaranteed £73.1 million investment from First ScotRail in exchange for an estimated £57 million in potential revenue share. The £73.1 million will be used to reduce the Government subsidy or be invested in rail services.The extension has also made the following main changes to the franchise contract. First, performance targets for reliability and capacity have been made more challenging. Secondly, revenue targets have been revised in line with more recent forecasts and the point at which First ScotRail returns a share of its revenue to the Scottish Government has been extended. Essentially, First ScotRail can now retain more revenue, but a profit cap has been introduced with half of all profits above the cap being paid to the Scottish Government. Thirdly, new service improvement options have been added, and First ScotRail is now required to provide additional information that will help Transport Scotland plan for the next franchise. First ScotRail is also more explicitly required to participate in the development of new major rail projects that will begin service after the franchise term ends, but for which planning will be required before the end of the contract.My report also outlines that some of the governance arrangements during the review process could have been better. First, Transport Scotland's record keeping was not sufficiently detailed to provide transparency with regard to the decision-making process. Paragraph 70 of my report states that Transport Scotland's former director of finance and corporate services held shares and share options in FirstGroup and that those were appropriately declared in Transport Scotland's register of interests and annual accounts. However, it also states that the director of finance and corporate services attended key meetings at which the franchise extension was discussed and that the minutes of those meetings do not record whether he declared an interest or removed himself from the discussions. The chief executive of Transport Scotland has stated that the director of finance and corporate services did not have a vote on any decision making in relation to FirstGroup and was not involved in the review process.Secondly, as outlined at paragraph 72 of my report, Transport Scotland did not provide the Minister for Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change with a fully documented business case; it took the view that presentations were more appropriate.Finally, Transport Scotland did not consult on the extension with its non-executive board members or external stakeholders. Transport Scotland's investment decision-making board assists the chief executive with major investment decisions but it does not include the non-executive board members.With regard to external consultation, Transport Scotland is of the view that there were commercial sensitivities and that previous consultations were sufficient.The third part of my report looks at First ScotRail's performance. As I mentioned when I began my remarks, overall performance to date has been good and continues to improve. Delays attributable to First ScotRail have decreased. Overall passenger satisfaction with First ScotRail has increased, as have passenger numbers. There has been a slight increase in the number of cancelled services; however, those were due mostly to a period of industrial action in the greater Glasgow area. In other areas in Scotland, there was a decrease in cancellations. The quality of service both at stations and on trains is good and is improving in most areas.I make a number of recommendations throughout the report, which are brought together on pages 8 and 9. My report concludes that Transport Scotland is generally managing the franchise contract effectively; however, there are some areas where further improvement is possible. For example, Transport Scotland should develop a systematic project plan for awarding the next franchise, including the decision-making criteria, the reporting arrangements and the approval arrangements. Transport Scotland should also be encouraged to review its franchise performance measures to improve the alignment between passenger concerns and wider Government priorities and to improve its engagement with stakeholders by clarifying its consultation arrangements.In addition, my report includes the suggestion that Transport Scotland should establish a single source from which passengers, the public and other stakeholders can easily access relevant information about First ScotRail's performance, the contract and how it is being managed.My colleagues from Audit Scotland and I will do our best to answer any questions that you have.

In the same item of business

The Convener: Lab
Item 2 is a briefing from the Auditor General for Scotland on the report "The First ScotRail passenger rail franchise".
Mr Robert Black (Auditor General for Scotland):
Good morning, convener. My report on the First ScotRail passenger rail franchise was published on 28 November. It looks at Transport Scotland's management of...
The Convener: Lab
Thank you very much. I want to clarify one of your comments before I go into some of the wider issues that you have identified. Transport Scotland felt that ...
Mr Black:
Yes.
The Convener: Lab
We will perhaps return to that at some point.On governance, what would be your view of a Government body or agency failing to ask for a business case in such...
Mr Black:
This is the largest contract that is let by the Scottish Government. Good practice would require a formal business case to be prepared. Transport Scotland de...
The Convener: Lab
We can certainly do that. However, from an audit perspective, whether in relation to this contract or any other contract or set of accounts that you are look...
Mr Black:
I certainly think that for any significant contract such as this it is preferable to have a business plan in place, because that plan can be used to independ...
George Foulkes (Lothians) (Lab): Lab
You are choosing your words carefully and diplomatically. You said that it would be preferable to have a business plan in place. Can you tell us of any other...
Mr Black:
Unfortunately, I cannot give you information on that, because we have not audited comprehensively across the whole public sector. However, it is certainly di...
George Foulkes: Lab
Neither you nor your colleagues can recall any instance of a major contract being let or extended without a business plan or a business case.
Mr Black:
I will try to be as helpful as I can in answering that question. I remind the committee that we produced a report on major capital projects recently. There w...
George Foulkes: Lab
It is a fairly unusual situation. As you say, the ScotRail franchise is the largest contract to be let by the Scottish Executive.
Mr Black:
Yes, it is the largest contract of its type to be let.
George Foulkes: Lab
There is one more thing that I do not understand. Would it not be normal for other operators to be given some chance to bid for such a huge contract? I am th...
Mr Black:
When the original contract was formed, before responsibility was devolved to Scotland, there was an opportunity for all interested parties to bid for the con...
George Foulkes: Lab
There is no way that you, or we, could tell whether or not we might have saved more money for the public purse if the franchise had gone out to a new contrac...
Mr Black:
I cannot give you that opinion.
Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP): SNP
I will start with the passenger situation before coming on to the contract. I travel back and forth between Glasgow and Edinburgh, and I agree with your asse...
Mr Black:
I will take the second point, and I will then turn to colleagues to amplify what I say, and to pick up the point about Passenger Focus.Transport Scotland was...
Tanya Drury (Audit Scotland):
I can comment a bit more on Passenger Focus's work in Scotland and its continuing effort to work with Transport Scotland in a specifically Scottish context. ...
Sandra White: SNP
I am sorry to interrupt you. You said that Passenger Focus will do more work in a specifically Scottish context. How many surveys have been done in Scotland?
Tanya Drury:
The surveys all began at the same time across Britain, and they go back five and a half years.
Sandra White: SNP
Fine. Mr Black was saying that Transport Scotland took more of a carrot than a stick approach with the franchise extension. I am concerned that Transport Sco...
Mr Black:
It is important to distinguish the Audit Scotland comment about the rigour of the process from the absence of a business plan. The Audit Scotland team has as...
Sandra White: SNP
Are you concerned about the contract as it was issued? You mentioned that Transport Scotland said that First ScotRail might not make enough profit above the ...
Mr Black:
It is for Transport Scotland to satisfy the committee on the question whether it is satisfied or not. It has indicated to Audit Scotland that it is satisfied...
Sandra White: SNP
Convener, I do not want to hold the committee up. I want to go on to talk about finance.
The Convener: Lab
Could you leave that for the moment because other members wish to come in?Mr Black, it is astonishing that you say that Transport Scotland did all the work, ...
Mr Black:
I understand your concerns about that matter.