Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 19 March 2020
19 Mar 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Covid-19 (Education)
I thank the education secretary for advance sight of his statement, especially as he prepared it during difficult personal circumstances.
With a 15-year-old son who is preparing for his nat 5s right now, I have a bit of a window into the practical as well as the emotional issues that are at play. However, I want to press the education secretary a little bit further on the issue of key workers, because it is important. Will there need to be a bit of self-declaration, or will line managers and employers have a role? Will councils make the designation if it is not going to be made centrally?
On nurseries, we have talked about the flexibility of the regulations. Does that mean that we are changing the ratio of nursery teachers to pupils? Is there any limit on that change if it is the case?
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani)
SNP
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The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney)
SNP
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Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
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John Swinney
SNP
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Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
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John Swinney
SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer
SNP
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Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)
SNP
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John Swinney
SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer
SNP
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Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD)
LD
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John Swinney
SNP
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Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green)
Green
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John Swinney
SNP
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Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP)
SNP
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John Swinney
SNP
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Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
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John Swinney
SNP
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Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
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John Swinney
SNP
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Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (Ind)
Ind
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John Swinney
SNP
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Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
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John Swinney
SNP
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Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Con)
Con
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John Swinney
SNP
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Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
SNP
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John Swinney
SNP
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Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
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John Swinney
SNP
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