Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 10 September 2019
10 Sep 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Immigration Policy (Universities and Scientific Research)
I hear a member say, “Hip, hip, hooray!” Does that not just say it all? We are interested in working constructively, because we recognise that attracting the best global talent into our higher and further education and research institutions is vital to the success of the whole of our United Kingdom. Indeed, it is arguable that that will become even more important as we leave the European Union.
I was in favour of leaving the EU. I was one of more than 1 million Scots who voted to leave. However, that does not mean that I want us to sever our ties with Europe or see our country turn in on itself. In a dynamic, international and truly global economy, and in the proud Scottish tradition, we need the brightest and the best not just to study here but to stay and help to grow our country’s population and economy, collaborating and contributing. There is no good reason why that cannot continue.
In that context, the Prime Minister makes a very important point, which is that relentless negativity helps no one. I ask members on the SNP benches this: what kind of person wants their own country to fail, to prove that they were right?
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Oh, hip, hip, hooray!
Oliver Mundell
Con
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Gillian Martin
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Will the member take an intervention?
Oliver Mundell
Con
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Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Richard Lochhead
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Oliver Mundell
Con
I will take an intervention from the minister first.
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Oliver Mundell
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