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Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:18
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.17:31The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00346, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on committee membership, be agreed to.Motion agreed to,That the Parliament agrees the membership of committees of the Parliament as follows—Climate Action Committ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, as amended, is: For 67, Against 25, Abstentions 26.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament welcomes that the...
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
David Green (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I am sorry—I could not connect to the voting app. I would have abstained.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The sixth question is, that motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.1, in the name of David Green, is: For 36, Against 67, Abstentions 16.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Briggs, Miles (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con)Carson, Finlay (Galloway and Wes...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote will be recorded.
Duncan Dunlop (South Scotland) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I apologise—my vote was not recorded. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The fifth question is, that amendment S7M-00309.1, in the name of David Green, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.5, in the name of Murdo Fraser, is: For 26, Against 91, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Briggs, Miles (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con)Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)Currie, Victor (Highlands and Is...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.5, in the name of Murdo Fraser, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.2, in the name of Lorna Slater, is: For 66, Against 27, Abstentions 26.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.2, in the name of Lorna Slater, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.4, in the name of Malcolm Offord, is: For 17, Against 92, Abstentions 9.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Currie, Victor (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Kerr, Thomas (Glasgow) (Reform)Kirkwood, David (South Scotland) (Reform)Langan, Jam...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Malcolm Offord is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Murdo Fraser will fall.The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.4, in the name of Malcolm Offord, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan M...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, is: For 94, Against 15, Abstentions 9.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Okay, thank you.
Lorna Slater (Edinburgh Central) (Green) Green Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
My apologies, Presiding Officer. That was left over from when the app was not working.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
We come to the vote on amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee. Members should cast their vote now.The vote is closed.We have a point of order from Lorna Slater.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division. There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:18Meeting suspended.17:21On resuming—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There are seven questions to be put as a result of today’s business. The first question is, that amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
The question on the motion will be put at decision time.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
I hate to disappoint Ivan McKee, but his speech was not the last speech before the world cup. I will also undoubtedly disappoint other members given that we are looking to get out, but I will not take too long.Members will be aware that standing orders require the Parliamentar...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
Go on—why not?
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Jamie Hepburn) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
I will move and speak to the motion, Presiding Officer.
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
The next item of business is consideration of Parliamentary Bureau motion S7M-00346, on committee membership. I ask Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, to move the motion.17:16
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
That concludes the debate on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Does Mr Kerr want to intervene? I will get the time back, so I am happy to take his point. No, he does not. Okay.We have already saved more than £50 million on estates. I thought that it was 12, but we have now, in fact, shut 13 Scottish Government buildings. Murdo Fraser has ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Mr Kerr, you know to try to intervene rather than to attack from a sedentary position.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I think that the confusion is more broad. The Reform manifesto talks about getting rid of all 130 public bodies—or “quangos”, as they call them. However, there is also a recognition from across the Reform benches that those public bodies—whether Police Scotland, the court syst...
Victor Currie (Highlands and Islands) (Reform) Reform Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Does the cabinet secretary recall that Max Bannerman’s point on community wind farms was that they do not rely on subsidies? Therefore, it forms no contradiction in Reform policy on our opposition to net zero.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Yes. David Barratt also draws out the important point that the inconsistency in the Reform position is quite apparent. Reform members say in their amendment that we should not be talking about this stuff, and then they go on to talk about it from very different and contradicto...
David Barratt SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
—renewable energy schemes and for community-owned wind. Does the cabinet secretary agree that that is not the kind of reform that we need?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Hello. It is not a speech within a speech. It is an intervention.
David Barratt SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
In moving the Reform amendment, Malcolm Offord stated that the Scottish Government should have no remit on net zero and energy, and he suggested cutting public bodies that are responsible for related areas. In contrast, Max Bannerman noted the value of community wind power in ...
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I will take David Barratt’s intervention, and then I will go on to talk about those other contributions.
David Barratt (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
In principle, we need stability of funding and to recognise the great work that happens in community organisations, which I see every week in my constituency. That work is absolutely critical, because those organisations are, to a large extent, the front line, and their abilit...
Bob Doris SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I commend the comments on the third sector that we have heard in the chamber this afternoon. I draw the cabinet secretary’s attention to the Social Justice and Social Security Committee’s report on funding of the third and voluntary sectors, and I highlight the longer-term fun...
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
On reflection, I am happy with the extent of the contributions that we have heard this afternoon. As I indicated at the outset, I was keen to hear from members, and that is what has happened for the most part. I will try to pick my way through the mind map that I have in front...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Before I call the cabinet secretary, I say to members that, if they seek to make an intervention, they should remember to stand up and ask to make an intervention. I notice that buttons are pressed but, sometimes, the speakers do not see who is trying to intervene.17:05
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
We move to the open debate.15:58
Alyn Smith (Stirling) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I congratulate Ivan McKee—I will call him super Ivan, given the scale of his task, based on his speech and the vision that he has set out today.From listening to colleagues from across the chamber, I am struck that there is a lot of common ground here, and I think that we need...
David Green (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I begin by welcoming the cabinet secretary to his new role and wishing him well. As we have already heard, Mr McKee has been handed what might become the defining task of this Government, which is tackling the £5 billion black hole in Scotland’s finances. As Murdo Fraser has j...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I call Murdo Fraser, who joins us online.15:47
Michael Marra Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I point gently to the fact that Alyn Smith’s party had an outright majority in the Parliament for one of those parliamentary sessions, so not having had the numbers is not a foolproof excuse.Alyn Smith will find common ground across different areas. My note of caution to him w...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I should explain that I am having to contribute remotely today due to a family issue; otherwise, I would be in the chamber.I welcome Ivan McKee to his new role as Cabinet Secretary for Public Service Reform. I know that he is keen to dispel the notion that he is here as an axe...
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Meeting of the Parliament 04 June 2019

04 Jun 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Dementia (Alzheimer Scotland Report)
Lyle, Richard SNP Uddingston and Bellshill Watch on SPTV

As convener of the cross-party group on dementia, it gives me great pleasure to facilitate the debate. I thank each and every member who signed the motion and those who will speak tonight.

I highlight the work of the cross-party group, which is doing an admirable job in advancing the debate—some members of the group are in the public gallery. Since its formation, the cross-party group has expanded the number of its contributors, pooling from a wide range of stakeholders including organisations and individuals. Particularly welcome is the committed contribution from the growing number of people with dementia and their carers, such as those from the Scottish dementia working group.

I commend and underline the courage of the people who have participated in our discussions despite the difficult and deeply personal nature of the contributions. We set aside time for personal stories, to which I listen intently. The group has been, and continues to be, the most helpful resource in aiding the Scottish Government to understand the needs of sufferers and their carers and families, and I thank the officials from the Scottish Government who attend our meetings.

I also congratulate Alzheimer Scotland on its excellent report, “Delivering Fair Dementia Care For People With Advanced Dementia”, which provides an accurate analysis of the current situation in Scotland. It is right that people in the early stages of dementia are supported to live as well and as independently as possible, with a focus on social and family support and on community connections.

More and more people with dementia are living longer and are therefore reaching the advanced stages of the illness. Advanced dementia is characterised by increasing, complex and rapidly changing needs. As the Alzheimer Scotland report sets out, we need to understand that dementia is a set of symptoms that are caused by an underlying illness. The most common cause is Alzheimer’s disease, but vascular dementia is also quite common, and there are more than 100 other dementia-causing diseases.

As the Alzheimer Scotland report shows, Scotland has made great strides in improving dementia care in recent times—most notably, since improving dementia care was made a priority by this Government in 2007. The progress has been forged by hard work and effective contributions at every level—the contributions of practitioners and policy makers have been pivotal.

However, there are people with advanced dementia who are not receiving the care that they need, which means that their families and even their committed care staff are struggling to support them appropriately. That is because the current system does not recognise advanced dementia as a health condition. Dementia should not be considered as a side effect of ageing, but as the degenerative disease that it is. We must try to seriously address that issue. Happily, reports such as Alzheimer Scotland’s “Fair Dementia Care” are now bringing together all the evidence, which informs us that dementia is a degenerative disease.

How can we respond to that fact? People with advanced dementia need to have the medical nature of their condition recognised and to be provided with the health and nursing care that they need. The harsh reality that we face is that the current situation creates inequality for thousands of people who are living with the advanced stages of the illness. They might not receive the care that they need, despite the fact that they would get such care if they had a recognised health condition. That means that not only are their needs not being met, but they are being charged under the banner of social care for any care that they get. Compared with people who have other progressive terminal conditions, people with dementia face a disproportionate financial burden.

As they are currently structured, such social care charges are confusing to service users. There is a lack of transparency, information on the charges is often not readily accessible on council websites, and the charges vary wildly from local authority to local authority. The lack of consistency and transparency in the financial assessment process is a major concern. Most people who seek information do not understand how the process works, how the charges that they are asked to pay are calculated, or why, unlike with other progressive conditions, they are subject to charges for the care that they need. I hope that the Scottish Government’s forthcoming adult social care review will address those issues, and I am sure that it will.

Many people will be wondering about the cost implications of achieving this most necessary social progress, but it seems pivotal to remind members that this important issue cannot, and should not, be discussed only in terms of pounds and pence. Behind simple considerations of the costings are the more than 90,000 people who live with dementia in Scotland, who, along with their carers, also need consideration.

For example, we must think of Elaine. Elaine’s mum, Pat, has been in the advanced stages of dementia since 2015. Her mum had been going to a day care centre and a nursing home for respite breaks, but such inconsistent changes to Pat’s environment were causing more harm than good by disrupting her mood and making her care even more difficult for Elaine at home. In the end, Pat had to move into a residential home and was there for 10 months, at her own cost. In that 10-month period, she had to visit accident and emergency departments 11 times because her care home could not meet her health needs. On her last visit to hospital, she was admitted for three weeks due to a fractured skull, but she still had to cover the cost of her place at the care home during that time, despite the fact that NHS Scotland was meeting her health and residential needs. Elaine says:

“If my mum had access to the free healthcare on the same basis as those with other progressive illnesses, she would’ve had a better quality of life which would have saved the numerous crisis interventions which were not only costly in the stress placed on her and her family, but financially to her and to the health and social care system. The emotional impact of being a carer and watching someone you love deteriorate is hard enough without the added worries of how they are going to pay for care.”

After hearing Elaine’s story—one of many like it in our country—it is clear that, as a nation, we need to stand up to address this important issue now and to ensure that all stakeholders understand its importance and the need for rapid action.

The time is no longer ripe for examining possible solutions, as the solutions have already been highlighted by the Alzheimer Scotland report. Now is the time to act and we owe it to our fellow citizens to provide a fair system that gives them the same care and security as sufferers of other illnesses, thus helping to improve the quality of their daily lives. As the motion states, people with advanced dementia should receive the health care services that they need, free at the point of use, as would be the case with any other health condition. Our health and social care services should recognise that the needs of people with advanced dementia are health care needs and put in place services and structures that enable those needs to be met.

Dementia, and advanced dementia in particular, will be a major challenge for our country in the coming years. As I pointed out earlier, the debate concerns many women and men who, thanks to the recommendations of the Alzheimer Scotland report, would see their living conditions improve.

It should be remembered that the right to a dignified life is a fundamental right for the elderly, which is the demographic most affected by dementia and advanced dementia. Article 25 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union states:

“The Union recognises and respects the rights of the elderly to lead a life of dignity and independence and to participate in social and cultural life.”

We must recognise the vital and imminent nature of the issue and do everything possible to meet the expectations of those who are directly or indirectly affected by it.

17:17  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S5M-17177, in the name of Richard Lyle, on the Alzheimer Scotland report “Delivering Fair ...
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
As convener of the cross-party group on dementia, it gives me great pleasure to facilitate the debate. I thank each and every member who signed the motion an...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I congratulate Richard Lyle on securing the debate on his motion. I welcome the Alzheimer Scotland report, which is very helpful and lays out where we are an...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate my colleague Richard Lyle on securing today’s debate and on his years of work as convener of the cross-party group on dementia, which has cons...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Like colleagues, I congratulate Richard Lyle on securing this important debate and on the work that he leads on in the cross-party group on dementia. I looke...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I join other members in congratulating Richard Lyle on securing the debate and setting the scene very well indeed. I add my thanks to Alzheimer Scotland for ...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (Ind) Ind
I congratulate Richard Lyle on securing the debate. The issue that we are debating is one that has long been of interest to me. My late grandmother had deme...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
Like other members, I thank Richard Lyle for bringing an important issue to be debated. I, too, want to highlight the work of Alzheimer Scotland and record m...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The last of the open debate contributions is from Maurice Corry. 17:42
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Richard Lyle on bringing this important debate to the chamber, and I welcome Alzheimer Scotland’s report, which has given us bold and worthwhi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Clare Haughey to wind up the debate for around 7 minutes. 17:47
The Minister for Mental Health (Clare Haughey) SNP
I add my thanks to Richard Lyle for lodging the motion for debate, and I thank all the members who have made valuable contributions. I welcome Alzheimer Sco...
Liam McArthur LD
I welcome everything the minister has said about developments. However, one of the concerns that was raised is that there is a lack of clarity and perhaps co...
Clare Haughey SNP
Liam McArthur is absolutely right—the report highlights that point and he also highlighted it in his speech. The adult social care reform programme is looki...