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Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
As Willie Rennie referred to, the report by Professor Sir Ian Boyd will be shared publicly, alongside SRUC’s response, after its board meeting later this month. As Willie Rennie will do, the Government and I will consider that report carefully. I look forward to engaging with ...
Willie Rennie (Fife North East) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
The minister will know that Professor Sir Ian Boyd has been commissioned by the board of SRUC to produce a report into the future of the institution in north-east Fife and Cupar for the longer term—a vision that has been long awaited. That report has now been handed over to th...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I will take a supplementary question from Willie Rennie.
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I thank Michelle Campbell for her kind words, and I welcome her to the chamber. I would simply emphasise that she raises important points that are relevant both to the two colleges that she mentioned, which are either in her constituency or serve her constituents, and to SRUC,...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
That is a little bit off the main question. Minister, do you wish to respond?
Michelle Campbell (Renfrewshire North and Cardonald) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
First and foremost, I thank the minister for his dedication to this area. I am glad to see him return as the minister.The sustainability of Scotland’s college sector is vital in strengthening our skilled workforce and supporting our young people into positive destinations. I h...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I will take a supplementary question from Michelle Campbell.
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I refer to my first answer, but I recognise the importance of the Elmwood campus and that consideration of its future is relevant to skills provision, which was raised by the member, and the local community. If the member wants to write to me with feedback from their engagemen...
Julie MacDougall Reform Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I have recently met farmers across the region who are seriously concerned about the lack of available opportunities for the next generation of skilled rural workers. Courses covering horticulture, animal care and green-keeping were unique local offerings at Elmwood. If Elmwood...
The Minister for Innovation, Technology and Tertiary Education (Ben Macpherson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
I thank Julie MacDougall for raising this important issue. Although SRUC is an autonomous institution with responsibility for its own decisions in relation to provision and facilities at Elmwood, I would expect it to take into account the needs of students, staff and the wider...
Julie MacDougall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Scotland’s Rural College (Elmwood Campus)
To ask the Scottish Government whether it will provide an update regarding the future of the Elmwood campus of Scotland’s Rural College in Cupar. (S7O-00052)
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
We are committed to building on progress. There is always more to do. Since July last year, long waits have fallen significantly, with new out-patient waits of more than a year down by 76 per cent and in-patient day-case waits of more than a year down by almost half. That has ...
Heather Anderson (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
I thank Mr Marra for his interest in waiting times across NHS Tayside, and I share some of his concerns. However, I am very conscious that the Scottish National Party Government has achieved month-on-month reductions in waiting times for 11 months in a row. I would appreciate ...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
I very much appreciate Mr Marra’s concern, even if I nonetheless believe that it is somewhat misplaced. He might be relieved to know that NHS Tayside is making very clear progress in specialties including gynaecology, for example, where the number of people waiting has reduced...
Michael Marra Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
I find deeply disappointing the idea that the Government does not have any position on a recruitment freeze in NHS Tayside for critical posts involved in care. The cabinet secretary should know that there are significant delays—for instance, in gynaecological care and women’s ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Care (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
The Scottish Government leads on the co-ordination of national activity designed to grow and retain the national health service workforce in line with service need. Decisions on the staffing of individual services are matters for health boards, which should ensure that they ha...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · NHS Tayside (Recruitment Freeze)
To ask the Scottish Government what assessment it has made of any impact of NHS Tayside’s recruitment freeze on patient care and waiting times across Dundee and the wider Tayside region. (S7O-00051)
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
I underlined our commitment in my first answer: we are working closely with partners, as the majority funder, and we will consider the business case through a robust assurance and approval process once it is submitted.Let us not look back—let us look forward and work together....
Donald MacKinnon Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
I plan to be in Barra tomorrow. Can the minister give me a timeline for the delivery of the long-promised campus project so that I can give my constituents in Barra the reassurance that it will finally become a reality?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
Please ask a question.
Donald MacKinnon Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
Although I welcome the minister’s commitment to the project, it is now 20 years since it was acknowledged that St Brendan’s hospital was in need of replacement. The people of Barra and Vatersay have had to deal with repeated false starts, delays and broken promises in that tim...
The Minister for Innovation, Technology and Tertiary Education (Ben Macpherson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
I welcome Donald MacKinnon to the chamber. I look forward to working constructively with him and I pay tribute to his predecessor, Alasdair Allan.In answer to his important question, the Barra and Vatersay community campus project was included in our programme for government, ...
Donald MacKinnon (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Barra and Vatersay Community Campus
To ask the Scottish Government whether it will provide an update on the current status of the Barra and Vatersay community campus project. (S7O-00050)
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Patient Waiting Times (Moray)
Orthopaedics remains a priority as we continue to focus on the reduction of long waits, which means that in-patient and day-case waits of more than 52 weeks have reduced by almost half. We are also increasing orthopaedics capacity through our national treatment centres, includ...
Laura Mitchell SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Patient Waiting Times (Moray)
I recognise the progress that has been made in recent months to tackle the longest waits for secondary-care patients. However, I have been contacted by several constituents who continue to face lengthy waiting times for orthopaedic surgery. Will the Scottish Government set out...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Care (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Patient Waiting Times (Moray)
My commitment to tackle long waits is unwavering. To date this year, we have invested an additional £100 million to increase capacity and support boards, including NHS Grampian, to build on the progress that we have made in reducing long waits. We have made real and sustained ...
Laura Mitchell (Moray) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time · Patient Waiting Times (Moray)
To ask the Scottish Government what action it is taking to reduce waiting times for patients in Moray. (S7O-00049)
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
General Question Time
The first item of business is general question time. In order to get in as many people as possible, I would prefer short and succinct questions and answers to match.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
Thank you, cabinet secretary. That concludes the debate, and—this is my first time saying this—I close this meeting.Meeting closed at 18:45.
Màiri McAllan SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
It is right to say that, with any kind of disruption—even when Glasgow’s streets are being showcased in international film and TV—we must be considerate of businesses. I am always interested in hearing about ways in which we can do that better.However, there is another angle t...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I very much share the sentiments of the cabinet secretary and, indeed, all members who have spoken in the debate. However, I want to sound a note of caution in relation to the frequent closure of streets in Glasgow. We know that Glasgow is a very Atlantic-oriented city that of...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education, Culture and Gaelic (Màiri McAllan) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I thank and congratulate Alyn Smith for securing this member’s business debate, and I also thank members for their speeches. As Stephen Kerr has just reflected, this debate has been positive, and it has given all members—including me, as the new Cabinet Secretary for Education...
Stephen Kerr Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I thought that he gave a very good speech. I think that we are aligned on the idea about brass nameplates. It is important that we extract investment into Scotland. We both live in a place that is benefiting from inward investment and the exciting future that Stirling has in t...
Alyn Smith SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
Such as it is. Laughter.
Stephen Kerr (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I enjoyed the debate and all the speeches; what a contrast from the previous couple of hours. I congratulate Alyn Smith on securing the motion for his first members’ business debate. I hope that this does not destroy his credibility with his colleagues—
Jenni Minto (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
Meal do naidheachd—congratulations—to my colleague Alyn Smith on securing this members’ business debate on the importance of the screen industry in Scotland.As members will know, I believe that my constituency is Scotland’s most beautiful, because of its land and seascape and ...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I congratulate Alyn Smith on securing the debate. I am pleased to speak in support of the motion and to recognise the work of Screen Scotland and the wider screen sector, particularly in creating opportunities for new talent. The fact that, 31 years ago, its closest predecesso...
Q Manivannan Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I should say that that filming is happening during recess, so I will let the programme makers know that I am available if they need me. My office will be in touch. I have also been informed that I have a passing resemblance, when the right lighting hits me, to Ben Whishaw and ...
The Minister for Innovation, Technology and Tertiary Education (Ben Macpherson) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
Considering the points that Q Manivannan has made, will they also share my praise for the programme and celebrate the fact that a second series of “Dept Q” is being filmed on the north-eastern side of Edinburgh, which is creating opportunities and showcasing more of Scotland t...
Q Manivannan (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Green) Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I thank Alyn Smith for securing this debate. I shall begin with a wee bit of a disclosure. I have been informed of a television show called “Dept Q”, which was filmed in and is set in Edinburgh, but it has nothing to do with my office. I was not consulted or invited to auditio...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I thank Alyn Smith for securing this debate. The motion recognises something that is truly worth celebrating—Scotland’s screen sector is growing and it is doing so in places that we might not expect, such as Kirkcaldy and across Fife, where creative ambition, technical skill a...
Michael Marra Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I absolutely agree with Mr Melville, and he is right to highlight the cinema in Arbroath. I also point to the independent cinema in Montrose, which is supported by the local port authority on a sponsorship model; it helps to provide the facilities through the funding that it g...
Lloyd Melville (Angus South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
Mr Marra and I represent the north-east of Scotland, so we also represent the Chalmers cinema in Arbroath. Does he agree that it is incumbent on all of us who want Scotland's screen sector to progress to support independent cinemas by watching films there as often as possible?
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I thank Alyn Smith for bringing the debate to the chamber; it is very welcome. As he outlined, the screen sector is very important for the whole of Scotland, and he rightly highlighted his own constituency’s particular assets in that respect.The sector makes a significant cont...
Alyn Smith (Stirling) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
I am delighted to lead my first members’ business debate in the chamber on a subject of great importance not just to Stirling, but to Scotland and, indeed, to all of our constituencies and constituents. It is a success story, and something for us to celebrate, because we are a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Screen Sector
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S7M-00188, in the name of Alyn Smith, on growing Scotland’s screen sector. The debate will be concluded without any question being put.I call Alyn Smith to open the debate.Motion debated,That the Parliament wel...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, is: For 71, Against 50, Abstentions 0.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament believes there is a need to restore publi...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
Joe Long (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to vote. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Jenny Gilruth) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, is: For 53, Against 70, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAhmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Bannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bibby, Neil...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, is: For 70, Against 53, Abstentions 0.Amendment agreed to.
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Meeting of the Parliament 22 February 2017

22 Feb 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Motor Neurone Disease (Gordon’s Fightback Campaign)

I, too, thank the Government for bringing forward this debate and for giving Parliament the opportunity to mark Gordon Aikman’s truly outstanding contribution. I send our love and thoughts to his husband, Joe, and his friends and family who are with us in the chamber.

I became friends with Gordon over 12 years ago when I started to work for a fellow North East Scotland MSP to Claire Baker’s husband, Richard. Gordon’s charisma and loving, cheeky and vibrant personality were infectious to anyone who met him. From listening to Claire’s moving tribute and speaking to many of Gordon’s other friends and political acquaintances at his funeral on Saturday, I know that it was that joie de vivre that made him such a wonderful person to know and be around.

The last time I met up with Gordon was at a silent auction in Stockbridge to raise funds for MND Scotland. Apart from trying to force me to bid for a hideous orange finger-knitted hat—luckily, I was outbid on that—he told his personal story to around 200 people who had gathered there, most of whom he did not know.

Gordon began his speech with just four words: “I’m dying—and fast.” There was not a dry eye in the room after he told his personal story, and it left everyone with the will to support Gordon and his campaigns. As with every time Gordon spoke about his MND, he was an inspiration to everyone who met him that evening.

As has been mentioned, Gordon knew how political decisions and the prioritisation by Government ministers of issues can transform people’s lives. Perhaps it is because MND came to take away Gordon’s life that so many people in Scotland with MND today, and for as long as there is no cure, will owe the advancement in research and improvement in services and care for MND to Gordon’s passionate and determined campaigning.

When I met Gordon in Parliament after the election to discuss some of his concerns surrounding the changes to home ventilation services in NHS Lothian, it was clear just how passionate he was to see and support improvements to care and nursing teams across Scotland for all life-limiting conditions. I had hoped to meet Gordon to discuss the Frank’s law campaign—sadly that meeting will not take place.

However, as Kezia Dugdale and Anas Sarwar have said, I know Gordon would not forgive me for letting the opportunity of this debate to pass without raising the plight of those individuals in our country who are under the age of 65 and require personal care for MND, dementia, Parkinson’s disease, MS and cancer.

Shockingly, in some parts of Scotland, terminally ill patients under the age of 65 are being charged for the help that they need with basic things such as washing, dressing and feeding themselves. That is despite clear guidance to local authorities that terminally ill patients should not be charged for personal care. As Christina McKelvie has mentioned, when a person is on their deathbed, worries about where they will find the money to pay for the vital care that they need are the last thing that they or their loved ones should have on their minds.

I very much welcome the fact that the cabinet secretary has agreed that the feasibility study on extending free personal care to people under 65 who have been diagnosed with dementia will be widened to include all medical conditions. I look forward to the study being completed and published in the summer. We on the Conservative benches will work positively with ministers, as I know will other parties in the chamber, to take forward the policies that we need to end the current unacceptable situation.

The previous session of Parliament was dominated by the debate over the constitution—a campaign that Gordon was at the heart of before he was diagnosed with MND. That campaign and debate not only divided our country but saw a huge amount of political time and political energy used on both sides of the argument. This fifth session of Parliament can and should be about progressing policies together to improve the lives of the people whom we serve, such as Frank’s law and other policies that can transform people’s lives.

Like members, I feel privileged to have known Gordon. I will never quite comprehend how, at the age of just 31 and after receiving what amounted to a death sentence, he managed to be the amazing person that he was right to the end of his life. He undertook his three-year battle with MND and, at the same time, focused his energy and efforts on raising funds and awareness for MND Scotland. For those who have not already donated to Gordon’s fightback, I hope that they visit the website and encourage others to do so. His mission statement is what should inspire all of our work in the Parliament—Alex Cole-Hamilton has already mentioned some of it:

“I don’t want pity. All I want is for you to take action to help fund a cure and fight for better care for people with MND.

It’ll be too late for me, but we must—and with your help we will—find a cure for the next generation.

With your help I can turn a negative into a positive.”

Gordon’s legacy is one that he will never truly know. For me as a friend, and I know for colleagues across the Parliament, he will go on inspiring the work that we do as MSPs for the rest of our own lives.

16:39  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-04122, in the name of Shona Robison, on motor neurone disease and Gordon’s fightback campaign. 15:16
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Shona Robison) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to open this debate on celebrating the life and work of Gordon Aikman and the Gordon’s fightback campaign. I start by offering my a...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Government and the cabinet secretary for using the debate time this afternoon to talk about Gordon’s life and work. I know that that is very much...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am not allowed to clap, but I am clapping. 15:36
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
It is a special honour to take part in this debate and, at the outset, I inform members that the Scottish Conservatives will support the Government motion an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. We are a little tight for time, so I ask for speeches of up to five minutes. 15:42
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
I offer my sincerest condolences to Joe and the family and friends of Gordon Aikman. I offer these mere words as a comfort to them as a daughter who has love...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am glad to have the opportunity to speak today, and I commend the Government for changing the subject of today’s debate. It is a privilege to be involved i...
Maree Todd (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I offer my deepest condolences to Gordon Aikman’s family and friends. The debate is an opportunity to reflect on Gordon’s inspiring and selfless campaign. He...
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I rise with a heavy heart to speak in the debate, which, with its many beautiful contributions from so many members, reflects the Parliament at its best. Thi...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank the Government for scheduling the debate to allow Parliament to acknowledge the transformative and truly effective campaigning work of Gordon Aikman....
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
It is my great privilege to offer the Liberal Democrats’ support for the Government motion and the Labour amendment. We offer our condolences to Gordon’s fam...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
Unlike many previous speakers, I cannot talk about Gordon Aikman from a personal point of view. We met only once, and that was in a taxi queue after an event...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have been moved by the debate so far. I did not know Gordon personally but, from hearing the words of his colleagues and other members in the chamber, I wo...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I extend my condolences to Gordon’s husband, Joe, and to his friends and family. I was not Gordon’s friend. That was not by choice, and it is to my regret th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
We move to the closing speeches. 16:26
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Today’s motion reflects on an extraordinary life and an extraordinary campaign that achieved so much for people with motor neurone disease. Gordon Aikman’s r...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I, too, thank the Government for bringing forward this debate and for giving Parliament the opportunity to mark Gordon Aikman’s truly outstanding contributio...
The Minister for Public Health and Sport (Aileen Campbell) SNP
It is an honour to be part of today’s debate to recognise Gordon Aikman’s work and achievements. Based on the contributions from members that we have listene...
Kezia Dugdale Lab
The minister will know that Gordon would encourage me to push her just a little further on some of the issues that I mentioned in my speech. Perhaps she is c...
Aileen Campbell SNP
I was coming to that. I was also going to say that I will come back to the member with further clarity on that. I will perhaps jump ahead and say that we are...