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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
Everyone has now voted. Once again, I ask scrutineers and candidates to please go to the back of the chamber. The votes will be counted for the final time.In the final round of voting to elect a second Deputy Presiding Officer, the number of votes that were cast for each candi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
Ballot papers up the back. Please vote now.Members voted by secret ballot.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
I declare that the election for the second Deputy Presiding Officer is now open. The voting procedures are the same as before.Members voted by secret ballot.The Presiding Officer:Voting in this round of the Deputy Presiding Officer election is closed. I invite the scrutineers,...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
Voting for this round of the Deputy Presiding Officer election is now closed. I invite scrutineers to proceed to the back of the chamber for the count. Again, candidates may also observe the count.Colleagues, you will be delighted to know that we have a result. In this round o...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
Okay, folks, you know the drill. Ballot papers are at the back of the chamber.Members voted by secret ballot.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
Good afternoon, everyone. I am glad that you are all with us once more. This will be the last voting session of the afternoon, you will be glad to know—before you can all depart the scene.I have received five valid nominations for the position of Deputy Presiding Officer, and ...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Deputy Presiding Officers
The first meeting of the seventh session of the Parliament is now resumed. I have received five valid nominations for the position of Deputy Presiding Officer. I shall now announce the nominees and ask all candidates, as their names are announced, to make themselves known to t...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
Okay, folks. I have just been given some instructions about what will happen next. However, before that, I want to thank every member who has participated in this voting process. My belated congratulations to them if I have not already spoken to them about winning their own el...
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
Voting in the third round of the election of the Presiding Officer is closed. I invite any scrutineers appointed by the candidates to go to the back of the chamber to observe the counting of ballot papers. Candidates may also observe the count.In this round of voting in the el...
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
This voting period is now open, using the same voting procedure as before.Members voted by secret ballot.
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
Voting in this round of the Presiding Officer election is closed. I invite the scrutineers to proceed to the back of the chamber for the counting of votes. Again, candidates may also observe the count.In the second round of voting in the election of the Presiding Officer, the ...
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
Voting in the first round of the election of the Presiding Officer is closed. I now invite any scrutineers appointed by the candidates to go to the back of the chamber to observe the counting of ballot papers. Candidates may also observe the count.In the first round of voting ...
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
As previously announced, I have received four valid nominations. In alphabetical order, the nominees are: Kenneth Gibson, Clare Haughey, Liam McArthur and Stuart McMillan.The election shall proceed in accordance with rule 11.9 of standing orders. If no member receives an overa...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) Chamber
14 May 2026
Presiding Officer
The first meeting of the seventh session of the Parliament is resumed. I have received four valid nominations for the position of Presiding Officer. I shall now announce the nominations and ask all candidates, as their names are announced, to make themselves known to the chamb...
The Presiding Officer Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I wish to inform members that nominations for the position of Presiding Officer will open at 12.30 pm. Nomination forms can be collected from the parliamentary business team, which is situated in T1.03. Completed nomination forms should be returned to the parliamentary busines...
Kate Campbell (Edinburgh Eastern, Musselburgh and Tranent) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
My first allegiance is to the people of Scotland, who are sovereign.I, Kate Rosa Campbell, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Stephen Gethins (Dundee City East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Stephen Patrick Gethins, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Jenny Young (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Jenny Young, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, David Herd Torrance, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Maree Todd (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Maree Todd, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.Tha mise Maree Todd, gu sòlaimte is fìrinneach a’ cur an cèill agus ag innse gum bi mi d...
Alison Thewliss (Glasgow Central) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Alison Thewliss, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.Tha mise Alison Thewliss, gu sòlaimte is fìrinneach a’ cur an cèill agus ag innse g...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Paul John Sweeney, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Collette Stevenson (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Collette Stevenson, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Pauline Stafford (Bathgate) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I pledge my allegiance to the people of Scotland, who are sovereign.I, Pauline Stafford, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Shirley-Anne Somerville (Dunfermline) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Shirley-Anne Somerville, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
David Smith (West Scotland) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, David Haydn Smith, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Alyn Smith (Stirling) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Alyn Edward Smith, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Lorna Slater (Edinburgh Central) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
My first allegiance is to the people of Scotland, who are sovereign.I, Lorna Jane Slater, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Mark Simpson (North East Scotland) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Mark Simpson, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Graham Simpson, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Kim Schmulian (Glasgow) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Kim Schmulian, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Katherine Sangster (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Katherine Blackstock Sangster, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
In my heart, my allegiance is to the people of Scotland.I, Mark Ruskell, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Angela Ross (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Angela Ross, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Emma Roddick (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I make this affirmation under protest in order to sit in this Parliament, where my allegiance will be to the people of Inverness and Nairn.I, Emma Roddick, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King...
Willie Rennie (Fife North East) (LD) LD Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, William Cowan Rennie, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Kirsten Oswald (Eastwood) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Kirsten Frances Oswald, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Kate Nevens (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I make this affirmation to the sovereign people of Scotland and pledge that, in all my actions, the interests of the Scottish people shall be paramount over and above those of the monarchy.I, Kate Nevens, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be fait...
Laura Moodie (South Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
My affirmation is to the sovereign people of Scotland, whose interests I will always serve before those of the monarchy.I, Laura Moodie, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I believe that the people of this country should be citizens, not subjects, and my first allegiance is to them.I, Carol Ann Mochan, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and ...
Laura Mitchell (Moray) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Laura Mitchell, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.I, Laura Mitchell, gie my depone, solemnly and sincerely, aat I wull be faithful and...
Jenni Minto (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Jenni Minto, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Jack Middleton (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I declare that my first loyalty will always be to the people of Scotland.I, Jack Middleton, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Colm Merrick (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Colm Merrick, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Lloyd Melville (Angus South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Lloyd Alexander Melville, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Pauline Mary McNeill, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Marie Alexandra McNair, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Stuart McMillan (Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Stuart McMillan, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Paul McLennan (East Lothian Coast and Lammermuirs) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Paul Stewart McLennan, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Easterhouse and Springburn) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Ivan McKee, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Cara McKee (West Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Cara McKee, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Helen McDade (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Helen McDade, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Liam Scott McArthur, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Màiri McAllan (Clydesdale) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Màiri Louise McAllan, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Duncan Massey (North East Scotland) (Reform) Reform Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Duncan Massey, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
My allegiance is to the people of Scotland, who are sovereign.I, Gillian Anne Martin, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I, Michael Marra, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Q Manivannan (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Green) Green Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
I make the affirmation for the people of Scotland and their care, my bonnie, bonnie home.I, Q Manivannan, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh North Eastern and Leith) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 May 2026
Oaths and Affirmations
In order to represent my constituents and serve the common good and the people of Scotland, I, Ben Macpherson, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according...
Donald MacKinnon (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 May 2026
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I, Donald MacKinnon, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.Tha mise Dòmhnall MacFhionghain, a’ mionnachadh gum bi mi dìleas agus fìor umhail do A Mhòrachd An Rìgh Teàrla...
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Committee

Justice Committee 03 November 2015

03 Nov 2015 · S4 · Justice Committee
Item of business
Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The group includes amendments in the name of Margaret Mitchell that would require mandatory FAIs into the deaths in hospitals of patients receiving compulsory or voluntary mental health treatment. Mental health patients who die while receiving treatment in hospital for something that is unrelated to their mental health condition, such as a heart attack or cancer, would be affected by the proposal. It is difficult to see how the public interest would be served by holding an FAI in such circumstances. Currently, the Mental Welfare Commission is automatically informed of the deaths of detained patients and has the discretionary power to carry out its own independent investigation and inquiry, and it already liaises with the Crown Office on cases that it feels may merit an FAI. Therefore, if there was any suspicion or suggestion that a death was the result of inadequate or inappropriate treatment, a death would already be investigated by the Mental Welfare Commission and/or the Crown Office. The Crown Office is also updating its guidance to medical practitioners to ensure that all deaths that occur while the person is subject to compulsory treatment under mental health legislation are reported to the procurator fiscal and are, therefore, investigated as appropriate, in common with all other sudden, suspicious or unexplained deaths, of which only 50 to 60 finally result in an FAI. It is highly significant that neither the Mental Welfare Commission nor the Royal College of Psychiatrists supports mandatory FAIs for detained mental health patients. They believe—and we agree—that the provision would be disproportionate and could, as I have said previously, lead to unnecessary distress for the family of the deceased person. In response to the proposal, the Royal College of Psychiatrists said: “it is stigmatising to suggest mental health care and treatment should be subject to special scrutiny in relation to patient deaths, bearing in mind the commonality of mental health problems and physical illness prevalence. We would oppose any amendment seeking to change this at Stage 2 and we urge the Committee to reject any such amendments.” The committee will be aware of a new provision under section 37 of the Mental Health (Scotland) Act 2015 that requires ministers to carry out within three years a review of the arrangements for investigating the deaths of patients who at the time of death were detained under either the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003 or the Criminal Procedures (Scotland) Act 1995, or who admitted themselves voluntarily for treatment for a mental disorder. 10:15 The Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland has said that it “believes that this review is an important opportunity to create a system of investigation of deaths of psychiatric patients which is proportionate, streamlined and effective” and that “the priority should be for the review to be established and for its work to begin”. I reassure committee members and other members who are present today that the review of the arrangements for the investigation of deaths of mental health patients will commence as soon as possible, and that initial discussions are already taking place with stakeholders. The Scottish Government will consider with stakeholders the scope of the review and whether it is possible to ensure that there are safeguards to protect against alleged deaths of patients as a result of covert treatment, compulsory electroconvulsive therapy or other treatment, which I know is of concern to Alison McInnes. I do not believe that it would be appropriate or sensible to legislate to extend the mandatory category in relation to deaths of mental health patients in advance of the work of the review that is required under section 37 of the 2015 act. Amendment 5, in the name of Margaret Mitchell, would provide discretion for the Lord Advocate not to hold a mandatory FAI where there has been an investigation or inquiry by the Mental Welfare Commission. Such investigations are, however, carried out by the commission only where there has been apparent ill treatment, neglect or deficiency in care. The amendment would therefore require that FAIs be held for deaths from natural causes and expected deaths. Amendment 7, in the name of Margaret Mitchell, would amend section 8 of the bill, which will place a duty on the Lord Advocate to provide written reasons when it is decided that an FAI is not to be held, but has been requested by the nearest relative. As the convener said, amendment 7 would require the Lord Advocate to give written reasons in all cases in which it has been decided that there will be no FAI for a death in hospital of a patient who has been receiving mental health treatment. In such cases, written reasons would have to be given without, crucially, a request having been made by the nearest relative, as the convener indicated. For all other types of cases, a request is needed before the Lord Advocate’s duty takes effect. There is simply no good reason to make the rule for mental health cases different from that for all other cases. What is important is that the Crown Office maintains with the bereaved family the level of contact that they have indicated they want; we believe that there are better ways of achieving that than amendment 7. The need for support and guidance that is tailored to individual family circumstances is exactly the sort of thing that will be provided for in the Crown Office’s proposed family liaison charter. I agree with the committee’s observation in its stage 1 report on Patricia Ferguson’s Inquiries into Deaths (Scotland) Bill that, if the scope of mandatory FAIs were to be extended to include the deaths of those who are detained under mental health legislation, the numbers of inquiries would rise significantly and the financial impact would be significant. It would, of course, be even more significant if voluntary patients were included. Although I take the point that Alison McInnes’s amendment 2A would remove voluntary patients from amendment 2, the Scottish Government still cannot support mandatory FAIs into mental health-related detention or compulsory treatment. Data from the Scottish Government and the Mental Welfare Commission suggest that there are each year approximately 78 deaths of patients who are subject to detention or to compulsory mental health treatment. If mandatory FAIs were to be held into all of those deaths, that would at a stroke more than double the number of FAIs in Scotland per annum. At least 39 of those 78 patients died from natural causes, in cases where death was expected; those deaths would trigger mandatory FAIs under the proposed arrangements. There were in 2013-14 424 deaths of psychiatric in-patients, including voluntary patients. Amendment 2 could therefore increase the number of FAIs sevenfold. It is important to consider that the proposals may not be welcomed by bereaved families of mental health patients, who may not wish to have the death in psychiatric care of a loved one become the focus of a fatal accident inquiry in public. We have similar concerns with regard to the amendments in the name of Alison McInnes, which would require a mandatory FAI into the death of any patient suffering from dementia who was receiving treatment in a hospital or care home service, or who was being treated with psychotropic drugs for the three months leading up to their death. As is stated in the recent letter from the Mental Welfare Commission, patients suffering from dementia often die while receiving treatment in hospital for, for example, heart attack or cancer, which are unrelated to mental health conditions, including dementia. I note the point that Alison McInnes made about strokes and take it on board; I hope that the review will be able to look at that issue. Similar to what would happen under Margaret Mitchell’s amendments, deaths from natural causes would be affected by Alison McInnes’s amendments. It is, in my opinion, difficult to see how the public interest would be served by holding an FAI in such circumstances. The amendments incorrectly imply that use of psychotropic medication for people with dementia is a bad thing and requires extra scrutiny. I take the point that Alison McInnes has made, however. It is my understanding that patients with dementia often experience aggression, agitation, loss of inhibitions, delusions and hallucinations, which can, regrettably, require psychotropic medication. I further understand that clinical guidelines and safeguards are in place on the appropriate use of antipsychotics to help to manage those distressing symptoms. The committee will be aware of the upcoming review of treatment of learning disability, autism spectrum disorder and dementia under the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003. Scottish ministers committed to that review during the passage of the Mental Health (Scotland) Act 2015. The Mental Welfare Commission will consult key stakeholders in early 2016 to scope the content and detail of the review. In view of the fact that there will be that review and the statutory review of the arrangements for investigating the deaths of mental health patients under section 37 of the 2015 act, I firmly believe that it would be premature and inappropriate in advance of the reviews’ work and recommendations to legislate to extend the mandatory category to deaths of dementia patients. Amendment 5A in the name of Alison McInnes would amend amendment 5 by ensuring that the deaths of mental health patients who are subject to compulsory treatment under part 7 of the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003 would not be an exception under section 3 of the bill, which would mean that an FAI would be mandatory in every such case. We do not have exact figures for the number of deaths that could be captured by the amendment; however, we have been assured that the impact would be so fundamental that it would overload the system of fatal accident inquiries as well as leading to unnecessary distress for families and, potentially, staff. Although we, as the committee’s members do, understand and sympathise with Alison McInnes’s concerns regarding that group of vulnerable people, the Scottish Government does not, for the reasons that I and both the Mental Welfare Commission and the Royal College of Psychiatrists have set out, support the amendments, but believes instead that there being discretionary FAIs for such cases strikes the right balance. For all those reasons, I ask the members to not press their amendments.

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The Convener SNP
Item 2 is stage 2 proceedings on the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill. I remind members that our aim is to complete stage...
The Convener SNP
Amendment 1, in the name of Margaret Mitchell, is grouped with amendments 56, 2, 2A, 57, 3 to 5, 5A, 6, 58 and 7.
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
During stage 1 consideration, the committee came to the conclusion that there was no need for mandatory fatal accident inquiries into the deaths of those who...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I welcome the chance to speak on the amendments to section 2. Section 2 sets out the circumstances under which mandatory public inquiries into certain death...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
I have listened carefully to what both members have said. Margaret Mitchell referred to Lord Cullen’s report, but I think that it is fair to point out that ...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
For me, the issue is about the relationship between the state and the individual. It is also about perception, and I think that any member of the public who ...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Mr Campbell is absolutely right: the Lord Advocate has the discretion to have an inquiry. More to the point, I do not think that the Lord Advocate would make...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
I, too, have a lot of sympathy for the amendments in the names of Margaret Mitchell and Alison McInnes. On what Roddy Campbell said, having the discretion to...
The Convener SNP
I am sympathetic to the arguments but I take a fairly plain view of things: something is either mandatory or not mandatory. As has been explained, there is d...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
The group includes amendments in the name of Margaret Mitchell that would require mandatory FAIs into the deaths in hospitals of patients receiving compulsor...
The Convener SNP
It is really for Margaret Mitchell to wind up, but Alison McInnes is writing something, so I wonder whether she wants to respond to any of that, first.
Alison McInnes LD
I am grateful for the opportunity to do that. I am also grateful to the minister for the assurances that he has put on the record today, particularly in rela...
The Convener SNP
You do not need to say anything about that at the moment.
Alison McInnes LD
Okay.
The Convener SNP
Hold us in suspense on that. Margaret Mitchell will now wind up and press or seek to withdraw amendment 1.
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will address the stigma that the minister suggested will somehow occur if there were mandatory FAIs for detained mental health patients. I refer the minist...
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 1 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division. For Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) McDougall, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab) McInnes, Alison (North East Scotlan...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 5, Against 4, Abstentions 0. Amendment 1 agreed to.
The Convener SNP
Amendment 52, in the name of Alison McInnes, is grouped with amendments 53 and 54.
Alison McInnes LD
This group of amendments also refers to section 2. The main amendment is amendment 53, which introduces the requirement to hold a mandatory FAI as a result o...
Roderick Campbell SNP
I have listened to what Alison McInnes has said, but we need to bear in mind that we already have the Looked After Children (Scotland) Regulations 2009, whic...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
This group of amendments in the name of Alison McInnes seeks to require mandatory FAIs into the deaths of children who were looked after by a local authority...
Alison McInnes LD
I caution the minister against making a case on the basis of the resource impact, because I think that that is the weakest argument that can be made. If a nu...
The Convener SNP
I agree with you. I do not like to hear resources being brought in—the argument should be based on the principle.
Alison McInnes LD
That aside, the minister has set out a detailed reason for not supporting amendments 52, 53 and 54. I considered them to be probing amendments to test the Go...
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 2A be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division. For Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) McDougall, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab) McInnes, Alison (North East Scotlan...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 5, Against 4, Abstentions 0. Amendment 2A agreed to.
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 2, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.