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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.18:01Members’ business will be published tomorrow, 11 June 2026, as soon as the text is available.The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, is: For 71, Against 50, Abstentions 0.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament believes there is a need to restore publi...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
Joe Long (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to vote. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Jenny Gilruth) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, is: For 53, Against 70, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAhmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Bannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bibby, Neil...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, is: For 70, Against 53, Abstentions 0.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, is: For 55, Against 68, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
We move to the vote on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar. Members should cast their votes now.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:53Meeting suspended.17:55On resuming—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There are four questions to be put as a result of today’s business.I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Jamie Hepburn is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Ross Greer will fall.The first question is, that amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepbu...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:53
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Business Motion
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S7M-00301, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a business programme.Motion moved,That the Parliament agrees—(a) the following programme of business—Tuesday 16 June 20262....
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Business Motion
17:52
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That concludes the debate on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics.
Jackie Baillie Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The minister misunderstands and is clearly not listening. The people of Scotland are interested in those wider questions, but that is not what I am suggesting the inquiry should do. I have been very clear on that point.Let me go back to what Robin McAlpine had to say about dem...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I find it interesting that, although Ms Baillie said that it is not for others to take an interest in the SNP’s internal affairs, she is now talking extensively about the appointment of a KC and the thin nature of our internal governance review. It seems that she is taking an ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The key and absolute qualification for any First Minister of Scotland is that“that individual must be able to command the trust of the Parliament and the public.”—Official Report, 28 November 2001; c 4118.Those are not my words but those of John Swinney and, on that point, we ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
No, I do not, so let us move on.The point that I was going to make was one that I made earlier: it is important that, as an institution, we focus on matters that are of primary interest and of paramount importance to the people of Scotland. Instead of raising issues like this,...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I remember how sleazy, arrogant and entitled Labour became when it dominated Scottish politics. Does the minister see that at all in his party?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I will give way to Mr Findlay.
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the member give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
: —that the SNP has won five elections in a row. It has earned the trust of the people for five elections in a row. It is just a matter of fact—there is no arrogance about it; it is just a reality.I think that it is important that we—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Please speak through the chair.
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
It was the mindset that Murrell had.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
It is not a mindset but a matter of fact—
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That is your mindset.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
There are two things there. First, the public can be confident that the crime that has been perpetrated has been fully investigated and prosecuted and there is now a plea. I do not think that any of us is suggesting that there is a lack of confidence in that process—I certainl...
Willie Rennie LD Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That is a very generous offer, but I will have to decline.The minister is talking about the SNP investigating itself. How does that improve the confidence of the public in the Government party in this country?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I do not think that Mr Rennie is one of those SNP members, but maybe he wants to apply to join—we might let him come on board.I will give way one more time, to Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That brings me to a point that I was going to make later, because it picks up on a point that Willie Rennie made—I see that Mr Rennie is now paying attention to me. He made the point that my party does not want to do anything in response to some of the issues that have arisen ...
Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The minister does not want to accept questions coming from other parts of the chamber. Does he accept that questions are also coming from people who served his party, both in the NEC and in Parliaments? Those people are saying that blocks and obstructions were put in the way o...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I will give way one more time.
Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That was a wonderful pre-prepared line delivered tremendously well, Ms Lindsay. We look forward to much more of that.The past few weeks have been uncomfortable, difficult and very distressing for many of us—I will not pretend otherwise. No one would believe me if I did. Howeve...
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The only thing that I would say in response to that is that the SNP lecturing Reform on sleaze is like Lord Mandelson selling ethics lessons. No one is buying it.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I say to Amanda Lindsay that I might take more seriously the notion that my party operated like a syndicate if her party was not one that had been formed as a private limited company that is owned by one individual. Let us just remember where we are all starting from. Interrup...
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Yet, when it comes to holding one of its own to account for embezzling party funds, the urgency mysteriously disappears.Meanwhile, Scottish Labour, which called this debate, might want to reflect on its party’s sleazy history. After all, its hero, Lord Mandelson, was twice for...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The member must be heard.
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Instead of full transparency, we have had silence, deflection and obstruction. The First Minister likes to lecture others about integrity, yet he still refuses to put country before party. If he truly believes in restoring public trust, he must stop hiding behind lawyers and f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
No, no, minister. The member does not have to take interventions.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Ah, come on!
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Forgive me, but I wish to make progress.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the member give way?
Amanda Lindsay (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I support this debate and back calls for a full parliamentary inquiry into the shocking embezzlement of party funds by Peter Murrell.The Scottish people deserve the truth. For years, the SNP has presented itself as a slick, professional political machine. In reality, it has op...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I think that Anas Sarwar would be horrified if a former or a current leader of a political party told its members how they should vote on a committee decision. Interruption. That is for committees to decide, and I am not going to instruct any—Interruption. Look at him laughing...
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Mr Harvie says that committees in this Parliament could investigate certain prosecutions. To clarify, if a motion came to the justice committee, would his party support such an investigation by the justice committee?
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I beg your pardon, Presiding Officer. I was just discovering how much some speeches improve when I remove my hearing aids.Sadly, today, we have very much seen the debate that I expected. There has been some opportunistic partisanship dressed up as principled concern, and there...
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Committee

Public Audit Committee 01 April 2015

01 Apr 2015 · S4 · Public Audit Committee
Item of business
Accounts Commission Report
“Borrowing and treasury management in councils”
Graham Sharp (Accounts Commission) Watch on SPTV
Thank you, convener. The report that we are here to discuss today on behalf of the Accounts Commission looks at borrowing and treasury management in councils. Borrowing is a major source of funding for councils to invest in infrastructure projects, such as schools and roads, that are essential for the provision of key public services. At the same time, in today’s environment councils have on-going challenges in relation to reducing public spending. The report looks at how councils are demonstrating affordability in making decisions to borrow, and at the different positions that councils are in as a result of historical borrowing and policy decisions. The report focuses on long-term borrowing. We did not evaluate day-to-day cash, investment and borrowing transactions or look at other forms of debt, such as public-private partnerships. The report is aimed at councillors as the key audience. It considers the clarity and purpose of treasury management reports that are presented to them, which are often very technical in nature. It also considers the skills and expertise that councillors need in order to perform their key scrutiny role. During 2014, we looked at treasury management reports relating to 12 councils to get an indication of the clarity, content and variation of financial policy among councils. We interviewed officers and councillors from six of the 12 councils to get a more detailed insight. The report provides a summary of the main themes and conclusions arising from that work and identifies what more needs to be done. The messages and recommendations in the report apply to all councils, and our expectation is that financial officers, along with councillors, will review the report, assess themselves against it and implement the relevant recommendations. I now turn to what we found. Borrowing by Scottish councils is £12.1 billion, or around 82 per cent of councils’ total debt. Councils take on debt to invest in capital assets such as schools and roads. As I noted, our focus for this audit was on the borrowing element. We looked at councils’ borrowing since the introduction of the prudential code 10 years ago. The prudential code is a framework to support councils and help them show effective control over levels of, and decisions relating to, capital investment activity, including borrowing. We found that just over half of councils have higher levels of borrowing now than they had 10 years ago. Councils are following relevant codes and regulations, and they are clearly demonstrating short-term affordability of borrowing and other debt. However, we have found it difficult to identify how officers analyse long-term affordability and communicate that to councillors through strategies and reports for councils. For example, councils have information on capital investment requirements for up to 10 years and on the timing and cost of repaying borrowing, and they also have forecasts of future interest rates, but there was no analysis bringing those together with budget scenarios to assess affordability in the longer term. Treasury management is a professionally run function in councils. There are signs of more joint working and of integration of activity with the capital investment function, which is a positive step. We see potential issues in the future around the transfer and succession of skills and experience in that area and suggest that councils might wish to plan for that together. Councils have a range of governance and scrutiny arrangements, which is fine. The detailed arrangements are not for us to prescribe, but they need to be consistent across each council to enable councillors to build up knowledge and experience in this technical area. Councillors need to ask, and to be equipped to ask, more questions of officers about the affordability of borrowing and other financing options, particularly in the longer term, and about performance based on prudential and other indicators as reflected in year-end reports. Reports for councillors could be improved. They can be very technical documents and they should be written with councillors and the general public in mind. I will quickly summarise our recommendations. The report makes recommendations that are aimed at: helping councils develop treasury management strategies to present a wider, more integrated strategic view of borrowing and treasury management; encouraging councils to be more open about, and to report on, longer-term affordability; and helping councillors to scrutinise treasury management activity. The first main recommendation is that councils should prepare the treasury management strategy with councillors as the key audience, and that they should present a wider, strategic view of borrowing and treasury management. That should also cover how the borrowing strategy is informed by corporate priorities and capital investment needs. Secondly, councils need to create more detailed and longer-term borrowing and treasury management analysis that is informed by their financial strategies. It should include scenario planning, the analysis of capital financing options and the use of prudential indicators over a longer period than the minimum three-year requirement in the prudential code. Year-end reports should provide an overall assessment of performance and treasury activity. Finally, councillors and officers should review governance arrangements to ensure that they provide councillors with a wider strategic view of borrowing and treasury management and that councillors have access to all relevant treasury management reports. They should also ensure that training for councillors provides the appropriate level and balance of treasury management knowledge and scrutiny skills. We have provided a short guide and scrutiny questions for councillors to assist that process, published separately from the report. My colleagues and I are happy to answer any questions that the committee has on the report.

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The Convener Lab
Agenda item 2 is a briefing on the Accounts Commission report entitled “Borrowing and treasury management in councils”. I welcome from the Accounts Commissio...
Graham Sharp (Accounts Commission)
Thank you, convener. The report that we are here to discuss today on behalf of the Accounts Commission looks at borrowing and treasury management in councils...
The Convener Lab
Thank you, Mr Sharp. I refer the witnesses to page 31 of the report, which states: “Council governance structures are in place but not all meet code requi...
Gemma Diamond (Audit Scotland)
We found that councils were all generally following the principles of the code but, sometimes, the requirement for everything to be approved by the full coun...
The Convener Lab
How many councils did you find in that position?
Gemma Diamond
Two of the six that we looked at.
The Convener Lab
So only six councils were looked at in this assessment.
Gemma Diamond
That is right. We looked at six councils in detail.
The Convener Lab
In percentage terms, therefore, the figure could be even higher.
Gemma Diamond
We do not have any evidence for other councils, so I am not able to comment on that.
The Convener Lab
Should that part of the code not be pursued to ensure that the requirements are met?
Gemma Diamond
The councils all consider that they are meeting the general spirit of the code’s requirements, because the full council would have the opportunity to see the...
Fraser McKinlay (Audit Scotland)
As Gemma Diamond said, we took a sample, which is what we often do in our work. However, if it would help the committee, we could see whether we could find o...
The Convener Lab
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that in your opening remarks, Mr Sharp, you said that councils were meeting those requirements—I am sure that you refe...
Graham Sharp
In my opening remarks, I said that, in material terms, councils are meeting the code. The more significant point that I think we are trying to get across in ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
On page 5, the report says: “Overall borrowing has remained at around £12 billion for the last three years, with total assets of £39 billion.” In fact, tha...
Graham Sharp
There are a couple of levels to that question that need to be dealt with. First of all, we are talking about total figures, and I would be neither content no...
Mary Scanlon Con
I am an economist, not an accountant, but I note that you constantly mention £12 billion of borrowing against £39 billion of assets. The way I read that comm...
Graham Sharp
As I said, I would assess that on the basis of individual councils’ specific plans and borrowings, not on the aggregated figures.
Fraser McKinlay
I do not suppose that using those numbers is designed to give comfort or otherwise; rather, it is designed to give a sense of scale. Similarly, with referenc...
Mary Scanlon Con
On the financial plans for individual councils, the histogram in exhibit 4 on page 13 shows that East Lothian and West Lothian have probably more than double...
Fraser McKinlay
I will kick off; if we do not have the detail, I will be happy to come back to the committee because, as you say, the numbers are striking. From other audit...
Gemma Diamond
I do not have the detail on it all. It essentially depends on the council’s asset management plan and capital investment plan over the period. Exhibit 4 show...
Colin Beattie (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP) SNP
Who is ultimately responsible for borrowing by councils?
Graham Sharp
I believe that the councils themselves are legally responsible for their borrowing.
Colin Beattie SNP
The councils are responsible, not the Government.
Graham Sharp
Correct.
Colin Beattie SNP
Councils are completely independent.
Graham Sharp
They are.
Colin Beattie SNP
Thank you. Paragraph 16 states that 17 of the 32 councils increased their borrowing, but paragraph 18 says: “fewer councils are borrowing now than ten year...