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Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:18
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.17:31The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00346, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on committee membership, be agreed to.Motion agreed to,That the Parliament agrees the membership of committees of the Parliament as follows—Climate Action Committ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, as amended, is: For 67, Against 25, Abstentions 26.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament welcomes that the...
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
David Green (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I am sorry—I could not connect to the voting app. I would have abstained.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The sixth question is, that motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.1, in the name of David Green, is: For 36, Against 67, Abstentions 16.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Briggs, Miles (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con)Carson, Finlay (Galloway and Wes...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote will be recorded.
Duncan Dunlop (South Scotland) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I apologise—my vote was not recorded. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The fifth question is, that amendment S7M-00309.1, in the name of David Green, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.5, in the name of Murdo Fraser, is: For 26, Against 91, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Briggs, Miles (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con)Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)Currie, Victor (Highlands and Is...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.5, in the name of Murdo Fraser, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.2, in the name of Lorna Slater, is: For 66, Against 27, Abstentions 26.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.2, in the name of Lorna Slater, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.4, in the name of Malcolm Offord, is: For 17, Against 92, Abstentions 9.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Currie, Victor (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Kerr, Thomas (Glasgow) (Reform)Kirkwood, David (South Scotland) (Reform)Langan, Jam...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Malcolm Offord is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Murdo Fraser will fall.The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.4, in the name of Malcolm Offord, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan M...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, is: For 94, Against 15, Abstentions 9.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Okay, thank you.
Lorna Slater (Edinburgh Central) (Green) Green Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
My apologies, Presiding Officer. That was left over from when the app was not working.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
We come to the vote on amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee. Members should cast their vote now.The vote is closed.We have a point of order from Lorna Slater.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division. There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:18Meeting suspended.17:21On resuming—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There are seven questions to be put as a result of today’s business. The first question is, that amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
The question on the motion will be put at decision time.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
I hate to disappoint Ivan McKee, but his speech was not the last speech before the world cup. I will also undoubtedly disappoint other members given that we are looking to get out, but I will not take too long.Members will be aware that standing orders require the Parliamentar...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
Go on—why not?
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Jamie Hepburn) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
I will move and speak to the motion, Presiding Officer.
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
The next item of business is consideration of Parliamentary Bureau motion S7M-00346, on committee membership. I ask Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, to move the motion.17:16
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
That concludes the debate on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Does Mr Kerr want to intervene? I will get the time back, so I am happy to take his point. No, he does not. Okay.We have already saved more than £50 million on estates. I thought that it was 12, but we have now, in fact, shut 13 Scottish Government buildings. Murdo Fraser has ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Mr Kerr, you know to try to intervene rather than to attack from a sedentary position.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I think that the confusion is more broad. The Reform manifesto talks about getting rid of all 130 public bodies—or “quangos”, as they call them. However, there is also a recognition from across the Reform benches that those public bodies—whether Police Scotland, the court syst...
Victor Currie (Highlands and Islands) (Reform) Reform Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Does the cabinet secretary recall that Max Bannerman’s point on community wind farms was that they do not rely on subsidies? Therefore, it forms no contradiction in Reform policy on our opposition to net zero.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Yes. David Barratt also draws out the important point that the inconsistency in the Reform position is quite apparent. Reform members say in their amendment that we should not be talking about this stuff, and then they go on to talk about it from very different and contradicto...
David Barratt SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
—renewable energy schemes and for community-owned wind. Does the cabinet secretary agree that that is not the kind of reform that we need?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Hello. It is not a speech within a speech. It is an intervention.
David Barratt SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
In moving the Reform amendment, Malcolm Offord stated that the Scottish Government should have no remit on net zero and energy, and he suggested cutting public bodies that are responsible for related areas. In contrast, Max Bannerman noted the value of community wind power in ...
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I will take David Barratt’s intervention, and then I will go on to talk about those other contributions.
David Barratt (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
In principle, we need stability of funding and to recognise the great work that happens in community organisations, which I see every week in my constituency. That work is absolutely critical, because those organisations are, to a large extent, the front line, and their abilit...
Bob Doris SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I commend the comments on the third sector that we have heard in the chamber this afternoon. I draw the cabinet secretary’s attention to the Social Justice and Social Security Committee’s report on funding of the third and voluntary sectors, and I highlight the longer-term fun...
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
On reflection, I am happy with the extent of the contributions that we have heard this afternoon. As I indicated at the outset, I was keen to hear from members, and that is what has happened for the most part. I will try to pick my way through the mind map that I have in front...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Before I call the cabinet secretary, I say to members that, if they seek to make an intervention, they should remember to stand up and ask to make an intervention. I notice that buttons are pressed but, sometimes, the speakers do not see who is trying to intervene.17:05
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
We move to the open debate.15:58
Alyn Smith (Stirling) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I congratulate Ivan McKee—I will call him super Ivan, given the scale of his task, based on his speech and the vision that he has set out today.From listening to colleagues from across the chamber, I am struck that there is a lot of common ground here, and I think that we need...
David Green (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I begin by welcoming the cabinet secretary to his new role and wishing him well. As we have already heard, Mr McKee has been handed what might become the defining task of this Government, which is tackling the £5 billion black hole in Scotland’s finances. As Murdo Fraser has j...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I call Murdo Fraser, who joins us online.15:47
Michael Marra Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I point gently to the fact that Alyn Smith’s party had an outright majority in the Parliament for one of those parliamentary sessions, so not having had the numbers is not a foolproof excuse.Alyn Smith will find common ground across different areas. My note of caution to him w...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I should explain that I am having to contribute remotely today due to a family issue; otherwise, I would be in the chamber.I welcome Ivan McKee to his new role as Cabinet Secretary for Public Service Reform. I know that he is keen to dispel the notion that he is here as an axe...
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Meeting of the Parliament 25 March 2014

25 Mar 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Immunisation Programme
Simpson, Dr Richard Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

Fourteen routine vaccines are given to people throughout their lives, from two months old to over 70—and the meningitis B vaccine is coming along. Despite periodic concerns about safety, immunisation, whether it is routine or additional, for travel, is one of medicine’s greatest success stories.

Recent additions, such as the shingles and rotavirus vaccines, are quickly finding their place. Rotavirus kills more than 600,000 children worldwide each year. In the UK, our wealth allows us to vaccinate more to prevent admissions than to prevent death, but in sub-Saharan Africa, rotavirus can be fatal when it is combined with bad water and poor sanitation.

All new vaccines, such as the human papillomavirus vaccine, have their critics. New vaccines should be carefully monitored as they enter the mass market.

Smallpox has been eradicated internationally. That is the effect of the first-ever vaccine, which was introduced by Jenner in 1796. Polio has been reduced to a few areas, but health workers who deliver the vaccine in north Pakistan have been murdered, through ignorance and prejudice. We should use this debate to send a message from our Parliament to support and encourage courageous health workers who risk their lives on a daily basis.

Measles cases have been reduced by 74 per cent worldwide. The global vaccine action plan, or GVAP, to which 200 countries have signed up, is a road map for extending the delivery of a basic package of vaccines.

It is estimated that 1.5 million children die each year—one every 20 seconds—from vaccine-preventable diseases. The challenge is to extend vaccines to the poorest countries. Big pharmaceutical companies are beginning to address the issue, through novel funding approaches and research into vaccines for diseases that are prevalent internationally. For example, a vaccine is in development for malaria, which is thought to cause between 1 million and 3 million deaths annually. Incidence of the disease had been reducing, and it is to be hoped that a vaccine will curb its re-emergence.

The biggest vaccine story in the United Kingdom and the western developed world at the end of the previous century and the beginning of this one was the MMR vaccine, to which the minister referred. The consequences should not be lost on politicians who supported the Wakefield fraud. It would have been bad enough if that had been the first time that a single scientist had created a storm around a vaccine, but it was not. In the 1980s, Dr Macfarlane raised concerns about the whooping cough vaccine, and the resultant drop in uptake, which was encouraged by the media, caused a re-emergence of whooping cough and young children were damaged. No proof of a problem with the pertussis vaccine was ever established and the campaign petered out.

The autism link story, which was created out of bad, unethical research, cruelly misled parents into abandoning the MMR. Opposition politicians supported the single vaccine, despite expert opinion and evidence from Japan that single vaccines were not effective. I was personally vilified in this chamber and in the press over my firm support for the triple vaccine, and some politicians berated the Labour Government for following the advice of all the royal colleges.

The result of the scandal was shown in last year’s outbreaks of measles in France and Wales. The Scottish response to the outbreak in Wales, which came on top of a significant outbreak in France and led to a call from the European Union for a significant programme of catch-up, was complacent and slow. There was no national urgency and no national campaign to update people who had missed out on the MMR vaccination. Although letters were sent to parents of children to whom the vaccine had not been administered, without a national campaign we are still at risk. There was no campaign directed at colleges and universities, where there has been an increase in the incidence of mumps as a result of the MMR scandal.

There are to be two new vaccines: the meningitis B vaccine, which is to be made available following last week’s announcement by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation; and the HPV vaccine, in its new nine-valent form, which might be made available to boys. Patrick Harvie talked about that.

The influenza vaccine will be administered intranasally to young children. Along with the shingles and rotavirus vaccines, the influenza vaccine should be monitored to see what happens when it is put into the mass market.

Flu immunisation is very important. We made good preparation for the pandemic, and I made my own contribution to that with my report in 2001. I recommended at the time that we should stockpile Tamiflu, but I have to say to the minister that there has subsequently been much debate about how effective Tamiflu is, partly because of the failure by Roche to publish all the research timeously.

There is a big increase in the immunisation budget next year, which I assume is partly due to the new immunisations that are coming in. In reviewing the swine flu pandemic, which was fortunately not very serious, I hope that we will consider again the pandemic programme for the future and make some decisions about whether we should restock with Tamiflu.

The evidence of pressures, which we mention in our amendment, is important. It is based on the NHS Scotland staff survey, which revealed that only a third of nurses and midwives said that they could meet all the conflicting demands on their time at work and only a quarter think that there is enough staff for them to do their job properly

I have been told that midwives have refused to administer vaccines recommended for pregnant women. Such opportunistic vaccine is important, so midwives should be required to administer whooping cough vaccine in pregnancy and MMR before women leave hospital in particular. Are such practices even being monitored?

New vaccines are being introduced, with new pressures on staff. Health visitors play an important role in supporting parents—if not administering the vaccine—through an increasingly complex child vaccine programme, but the number of health visitors is determined by individual health boards. Our recent freedom of information inquiry showed that to be inadequate.

The combination of new vaccines and the demands of family-nurse partnerships and having a named person for every child means that when the Government publishes its workforce plans in June, it will have to display a degree of leadership on health visitors. Scotland has done very well with our immunisation programme.

I move amendment S4M-09446.1, to insert at end:

“; welcomes the recent additions of rotavirus and shingles vaccines and the announcement of adding meningitis B vaccine, but recognises the pressures that administering these additional vaccines and the need for the catch-up programme for the MMR vaccine place on staff”.

16:02
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09446, in the name of Michael Matheson, on Scotland’s immunisation programme. 15:41
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate. The World Health Organization has stated that the two public health interventions that have had the greatest impact on the ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
There are indeed high uptake rates and we can be confident that there will be success in preventing instances of cervical cancer. HPV is implicated in a numb...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member may be aware that the advice that Governments receive on the use of vaccination programmes comes from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immun...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Fourteen routine vaccines are given to people throughout their lives, from two months old to over 70—and the meningitis B vaccine is coming along. Despite pe...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
This is a welcome and timely debate as it comes just a month before this year’s world immunisation week and a few days after the recommendation by the Joint ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
We move to the open debate. 16:07
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to speak in this debate on the Scottish immunisation programme. I echo the minister’s remarks that vaccination is one of the most effective an...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful for the chance to contribute to the debate and I support the motion as amended by my colleague Richard Simpson. The vaccination immunisation p...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I begin by thanking the minister for his letter of 21 March, informing me of the JCVI decision to recommend the introduction of meningitis B vaccine. I have ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the debate. As we have heard, immunisation can be life-saving. Members have talked about the devastation that can be caused by the implications of ...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
As previous speakers outlined, immunisation has played, and continues to play, a vital role in protecting and improving the health of the people of Scotland....
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am pleased to take part in today’s debate. As a father of six children, four of whom are still at school, I am very aware of the immunisations that our you...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to speak in the debate. I was unaware until I joined the Health and Sport Committee, which I did just before Christmas, of how effective the i...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
It has been a short but well-informed debate. I do not mean to sound patronising when I say that it was clear to me that nearly every contributor to the deba...
Dr Simpson Lab
I commend Jackson Carlaw for his speech, which identified some of the political issues in an exemplary way. The greatest public health achievements have bee...
Michael Matheson SNP
The debate has been very useful, and I am happy to say that we are happy to accept both the Labour and the Conservative Party amendments. The debate has been...