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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.18:01Members’ business will be published tomorrow, 11 June 2026, as soon as the text is available.The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, is: For 71, Against 50, Abstentions 0.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament believes there is a need to restore publi...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
Joe Long (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to vote. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Jenny Gilruth) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, is: For 53, Against 70, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAhmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Bannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bibby, Neil...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, is: For 70, Against 53, Abstentions 0.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, is: For 55, Against 68, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
We move to the vote on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar. Members should cast their votes now.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:53Meeting suspended.17:55On resuming—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There are four questions to be put as a result of today’s business.I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Jamie Hepburn is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Ross Greer will fall.The first question is, that amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepbu...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:53
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Business Motion
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S7M-00301, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a business programme.Motion moved,That the Parliament agrees—(a) the following programme of business—Tuesday 16 June 20262....
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Business Motion
17:52
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That concludes the debate on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics.
Jackie Baillie Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The minister misunderstands and is clearly not listening. The people of Scotland are interested in those wider questions, but that is not what I am suggesting the inquiry should do. I have been very clear on that point.Let me go back to what Robin McAlpine had to say about dem...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I find it interesting that, although Ms Baillie said that it is not for others to take an interest in the SNP’s internal affairs, she is now talking extensively about the appointment of a KC and the thin nature of our internal governance review. It seems that she is taking an ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The key and absolute qualification for any First Minister of Scotland is that“that individual must be able to command the trust of the Parliament and the public.”—Official Report, 28 November 2001; c 4118.Those are not my words but those of John Swinney and, on that point, we ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
No, I do not, so let us move on.The point that I was going to make was one that I made earlier: it is important that, as an institution, we focus on matters that are of primary interest and of paramount importance to the people of Scotland. Instead of raising issues like this,...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I remember how sleazy, arrogant and entitled Labour became when it dominated Scottish politics. Does the minister see that at all in his party?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I will give way to Mr Findlay.
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the member give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
: —that the SNP has won five elections in a row. It has earned the trust of the people for five elections in a row. It is just a matter of fact—there is no arrogance about it; it is just a reality.I think that it is important that we—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Please speak through the chair.
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
It was the mindset that Murrell had.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
It is not a mindset but a matter of fact—
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That is your mindset.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
There are two things there. First, the public can be confident that the crime that has been perpetrated has been fully investigated and prosecuted and there is now a plea. I do not think that any of us is suggesting that there is a lack of confidence in that process—I certainl...
Willie Rennie LD Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That is a very generous offer, but I will have to decline.The minister is talking about the SNP investigating itself. How does that improve the confidence of the public in the Government party in this country?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I do not think that Mr Rennie is one of those SNP members, but maybe he wants to apply to join—we might let him come on board.I will give way one more time, to Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That brings me to a point that I was going to make later, because it picks up on a point that Willie Rennie made—I see that Mr Rennie is now paying attention to me. He made the point that my party does not want to do anything in response to some of the issues that have arisen ...
Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The minister does not want to accept questions coming from other parts of the chamber. Does he accept that questions are also coming from people who served his party, both in the NEC and in Parliaments? Those people are saying that blocks and obstructions were put in the way o...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I will give way one more time.
Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That was a wonderful pre-prepared line delivered tremendously well, Ms Lindsay. We look forward to much more of that.The past few weeks have been uncomfortable, difficult and very distressing for many of us—I will not pretend otherwise. No one would believe me if I did. Howeve...
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The only thing that I would say in response to that is that the SNP lecturing Reform on sleaze is like Lord Mandelson selling ethics lessons. No one is buying it.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I say to Amanda Lindsay that I might take more seriously the notion that my party operated like a syndicate if her party was not one that had been formed as a private limited company that is owned by one individual. Let us just remember where we are all starting from. Interrup...
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Yet, when it comes to holding one of its own to account for embezzling party funds, the urgency mysteriously disappears.Meanwhile, Scottish Labour, which called this debate, might want to reflect on its party’s sleazy history. After all, its hero, Lord Mandelson, was twice for...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The member must be heard.
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Instead of full transparency, we have had silence, deflection and obstruction. The First Minister likes to lecture others about integrity, yet he still refuses to put country before party. If he truly believes in restoring public trust, he must stop hiding behind lawyers and f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
No, no, minister. The member does not have to take interventions.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Ah, come on!
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Forgive me, but I wish to make progress.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the member give way?
Amanda Lindsay (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I support this debate and back calls for a full parliamentary inquiry into the shocking embezzlement of party funds by Peter Murrell.The Scottish people deserve the truth. For years, the SNP has presented itself as a slick, professional political machine. In reality, it has op...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I think that Anas Sarwar would be horrified if a former or a current leader of a political party told its members how they should vote on a committee decision. Interruption. That is for committees to decide, and I am not going to instruct any—Interruption. Look at him laughing...
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Mr Harvie says that committees in this Parliament could investigate certain prosecutions. To clarify, if a motion came to the justice committee, would his party support such an investigation by the justice committee?
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I beg your pardon, Presiding Officer. I was just discovering how much some speeches improve when I remove my hearing aids.Sadly, today, we have very much seen the debate that I expected. There has been some opportunistic partisanship dressed up as principled concern, and there...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 06 January 2015

06 Jan 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mental Health
Simpson, Dr Richard Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I draw members’ attention to my interests as a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, a member of the British Medical Association and a chair in psychology at the University of Stirling.

I welcome this as the first health debate of the new Cabinet. I hope that it will be one of many, because we have had a paucity of mental health debates in the past. I also welcome Jamie Hepburn to his first debate as a minister. I welcome the tone of his speech.

The unequal and false division into mind and body as separate entities occurred over a century and a half ago, and it has dogged the biological model of medicine ever since. We know that general practitioners treat most patients with mental illness and do so holistically, but they are confronted with serious difficulties in not having the time to manage complex mental and physical morbidity. That is particularly the case in deprived areas, where mental health problems are massively more prevalent. The deep-end practices have reported that as part of their view of the inverse care law—the fact that resources are applied in inverse proportion to care needs.

I welcome the appointment of the six link workers, but that is just the beginning. A much more dynamic and radical approach to primary care is needed if specialist services are not to be even further overwhelmed. Malcolm Chisholm will speak a little more about primary care later in the debate.

The 1997 mental health framework started by saying that it was written

“to assist staff in health, social work and housing agencies ... to develop a joint approach to the planning, commissioning and provision of integrated mental health services.”

It was also intended to assist the people who use those services, those who care for those people and staff in voluntary and other agencies

“to play their part as partners and stakeholders.”

That introductory message is as relevant today as it was then. However, the framework was directed mainly at the problem of severe and enduring mental illnesses. Much progress has been made in the management of psychotic illness and dementia, but less has been made on dealing with personality disorder and developmental disorders.

Much has happened since 1997. The closure of old and unsuitable hospitals has continued, and with the help of public-private partnerships—I know that the Scottish National Party does not approve of PPP, but I presume that the similar non-profit-distributing model will continue—the closure and replacement rate has intensified.

We passed the Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act in 2000—Mary Scanlon will remember our debates about it. The Millan commission reported in 1999, when it enunciated 10 principles, which were incorporated in the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003. That was the first time in my professional and political life that a Scottish act was not simply a tartanised version of a UK act. It led the way, was hailed in Europe as a piece of far-thinking legislation and was eventually copied in England.

Further attention is now being paid to the human rights of patients with mental illness. I suggest to the minister that that might require a larger review of the interaction of the existing acts than was possible under the rather limited McManus review, whose proposals we are considering.

The minister referred to the see me anti-stigmatisation programme, which Malcolm Chisholm established when he was a minister. In its first four years, it began to transform public and—in part—media attitudes. Regrettably, as the minister said, the social attitudes survey of 2013 shows that some attitudes have not continued to improve and in some respects have gone backwards. What has been titled the refounding of the programme, which is overdue, places far too great an emphasis on very short, one-year programmes. We are beset by one-yearitis in our projects, whereas we should build on what has worked far more.

Under Labour, the 2006 follow-up strategy “Delivering for Mental Health” introduced standards and integrated care pathways for severe and enduring illness. The benefit of that was reflected in the initial 25 per cent reduction in readmissions within a year. That reduction has continued under the present Government and is very welcome.

The HEAT—health improvement, efficiency, access to services and treatment—target for reductions in suicides that Labour introduced has also been continued by the present Government and has led to a substantial reduction even if it has missed its target. It is to the Government’s credit that the rate has not increased during the recession as has happened in many countries.

The HEAT target for antidepressant prescriptions has wisely been dropped. It was in part a proxy for psychological treatments, but better quality prescribing has meant a rise in the amount and length of treatment. We commend the Government for changing that HEAT target.

The 2010 90 per cent referral-to-treatment HEAT target for psychological therapies has not been met. There has been quite good progress, although, as the minister said, that progress masks huge variation, with Lanarkshire and Glasgow performing well into the 80s, while the figure for Lothian and Forth Valley—the area into which I introduced community psychology for the first time in Scotland in 1982—is depressingly low at 40 per cent. That is why we call again for rigorous inspection and clearly agreed plans of action to match the improved reporting that is demonstrating that these matters are hugely variable.

Dementia diagnosis has improved and the standards for support have been effective, but serious problems of failure to undertake or record cognitive assessment have been noted in Health Improvement Scotland inspections of acute elderly care. Staff might feel that cognitive assessment is not a priority, but it really is—it is very important.

Progress in a number of other specific areas has been slow. Health inequalities have increased not decreased. As the minister has accepted, CAHMS is still a major challenge and I welcome the tough targets that the Government has set although, as Mary Scanlon said in her intervention, they have not been met. If we are to achieve those targets, it will be necessary to support the lower-tier services because they will reduce demand. In the last two quarters, referrals to CAMHS increased hugely and they will continue to do so unless lower-tier services are improved. For example, the recent spread of the Place2Be service from the cluster of Niddrie primary schools in Edinburgh to more deprived areas in East Lothian and Glasgow is welcome, as are home start, the positive parenting programme and family nurse partnerships, but it is not enough.

I hope that this is the first of many debates about mental health. We have not covered many areas, such as prisoners, forensic psychiatry, substance abuse and veterans. I welcome the fact that my amendment has been accepted.

I move amendment S4M-11975.2, to insert after “physical illness”:

“but notes that, while there has been progress toward the targets on child and adolescent mental health, the targets have not been met, psychological treatments waiting times remain very challenging and primary care teams are under substantial and increasing time pressure to deliver holistic care, particularly in areas of deprivation where there is a greater amount of mental illness; further notes that, after initial progress in improving public attitudes to mental illness with the See Me programme, this welcome trend has stalled and there is a need for more robust monitoring and inspection of the variation between NHS boards”.

16:27  
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-11975, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on mental health. As soon as Mr Hepburn is on his feet and ready, we...
The Minister for Sport, Health Improvement and Mental Health (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I was nearly ready, Presiding Officer. I welcome my first opportunity as the minister with responsibility for mental health to debate improving Scotland’s m...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You do not have much time.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will take a brief intervention.
Mary Scanlon Con
Given that only one health board in mainland Scotland has achieved the 18-week target for CAMHS, when does the minister expect that all health boards will be...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I made the point that I expect all health boards to achieve the target this year. That is my expectation. We set the target for a reason and we expect the he...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I draw members’ attention to my interests as a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, a member of the British Medical Association and a chair in psych...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I welcome the minister to his new portfolio. There is considerable scope to do much more to improve mental health services. Mental health is one of those iss...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
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Jamie Hepburn SNP
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Jim Hume LD
There is a difference, because south of the border the Government has provided in legislation that there is parity. The Government motion makes no great ref...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
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Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
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Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
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The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
You need to bring your remarks to a close.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
I had a lot more to say about young people and mental health, but I am being told to stop, so I shall.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you. 16:51
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
You need to bring your remarks to a close.
John Mason SNP
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Linda Fabiani (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
Of course, this is a big subject. I know that Mary Scanlon feels that it is not given enough time, but it is a subject that affects so many people that we co...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Provan) (Lab) Lab
I, too, welcome the minister to his new post. He should take in good spirit the robust exchanges that we have heard from a number of members, which should en...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the minister to his new role and welcome the tone that he struck in opening the debate. Broadly speaking, it has been a constructive debate. I wil...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to wind-up speeches. Jim Hume has four minutes. 17:07
Jim Hume LD
As I said in my opening speech, I welcome the consensus that is emerging for action on mental ill-health today. The debate has also highlighted some of the c...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will Jim Hume take an intervention?
Jim Hume LD
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Mary Scanlon Con
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