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Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:18
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.17:31The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00346, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, on committee membership, be agreed to.Motion agreed to,That the Parliament agrees the membership of committees of the Parliament as follows—Climate Action Committ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, as amended, is: For 67, Against 25, Abstentions 26.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament welcomes that the...
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
David Green (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I am sorry—I could not connect to the voting app. I would have abstained.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The sixth question is, that motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.1, in the name of David Green, is: For 36, Against 67, Abstentions 16.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Briggs, Miles (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con)Carson, Finlay (Galloway and Wes...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote will be recorded.
Duncan Dunlop (South Scotland) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I apologise—my vote was not recorded. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The fifth question is, that amendment S7M-00309.1, in the name of David Green, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.5, in the name of Murdo Fraser, is: For 26, Against 91, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Briggs, Miles (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Con)Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)Currie, Victor (Highlands and Is...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.5, in the name of Murdo Fraser, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.2, in the name of Lorna Slater, is: For 66, Against 27, Abstentions 26.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.2, in the name of Lorna Slater, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.4, in the name of Malcolm Offord, is: For 17, Against 92, Abstentions 9.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForBannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bland, Amanda (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform)Currie, Victor (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Kerr, Thomas (Glasgow) (Reform)Kirkwood, David (South Scotland) (Reform)Langan, Jam...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Malcolm Offord is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Murdo Fraser will fall.The next question is, that amendment S7M-00309.4, in the name of Malcolm Offord, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan M...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, is: For 94, Against 15, Abstentions 9.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Baillie, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Okay, thank you.
Lorna Slater (Edinburgh Central) (Green) Green Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
My apologies, Presiding Officer. That was left over from when the app was not working.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
We come to the vote on amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee. Members should cast their vote now.The vote is closed.We have a point of order from Lorna Slater.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division. There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:18Meeting suspended.17:21On resuming—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There are seven questions to be put as a result of today’s business. The first question is, that amendment S7M-00309.3, in the name of Michael Marra, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00309, in the name of Ivan McKee, on public service reform and empowering staff, service users ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
The question on the motion will be put at decision time.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
I hate to disappoint Ivan McKee, but his speech was not the last speech before the world cup. I will also undoubtedly disappoint other members given that we are looking to get out, but I will not take too long.Members will be aware that standing orders require the Parliamentar...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
Go on—why not?
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Jamie Hepburn) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
I will move and speak to the motion, Presiding Officer.
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
The next item of business is consideration of Parliamentary Bureau motion S7M-00346, on committee membership. I ask Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, to move the motion.17:16
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
That concludes the debate on public service reform and empowering staff, service users and local communities.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Does Mr Kerr want to intervene? I will get the time back, so I am happy to take his point. No, he does not. Okay.We have already saved more than £50 million on estates. I thought that it was 12, but we have now, in fact, shut 13 Scottish Government buildings. Murdo Fraser has ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Mr Kerr, you know to try to intervene rather than to attack from a sedentary position.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I think that the confusion is more broad. The Reform manifesto talks about getting rid of all 130 public bodies—or “quangos”, as they call them. However, there is also a recognition from across the Reform benches that those public bodies—whether Police Scotland, the court syst...
Victor Currie (Highlands and Islands) (Reform) Reform Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Does the cabinet secretary recall that Max Bannerman’s point on community wind farms was that they do not rely on subsidies? Therefore, it forms no contradiction in Reform policy on our opposition to net zero.
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Yes. David Barratt also draws out the important point that the inconsistency in the Reform position is quite apparent. Reform members say in their amendment that we should not be talking about this stuff, and then they go on to talk about it from very different and contradicto...
David Barratt SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
—renewable energy schemes and for community-owned wind. Does the cabinet secretary agree that that is not the kind of reform that we need?
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Hello. It is not a speech within a speech. It is an intervention.
David Barratt SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
In moving the Reform amendment, Malcolm Offord stated that the Scottish Government should have no remit on net zero and energy, and he suggested cutting public bodies that are responsible for related areas. In contrast, Max Bannerman noted the value of community wind power in ...
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I will take David Barratt’s intervention, and then I will go on to talk about those other contributions.
David Barratt (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
In principle, we need stability of funding and to recognise the great work that happens in community organisations, which I see every week in my constituency. That work is absolutely critical, because those organisations are, to a large extent, the front line, and their abilit...
Bob Doris SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I commend the comments on the third sector that we have heard in the chamber this afternoon. I draw the cabinet secretary’s attention to the Social Justice and Social Security Committee’s report on funding of the third and voluntary sectors, and I highlight the longer-term fun...
Ivan McKee SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
On reflection, I am happy with the extent of the contributions that we have heard this afternoon. As I indicated at the outset, I was keen to hear from members, and that is what has happened for the most part. I will try to pick my way through the mind map that I have in front...
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
Before I call the cabinet secretary, I say to members that, if they seek to make an intervention, they should remember to stand up and ask to make an intervention. I notice that buttons are pressed but, sometimes, the speakers do not see who is trying to intervene.17:05
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
We move to the open debate.15:58
Alyn Smith (Stirling) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I congratulate Ivan McKee—I will call him super Ivan, given the scale of his task, based on his speech and the vision that he has set out today.From listening to colleagues from across the chamber, I am struck that there is a lot of common ground here, and I think that we need...
David Green (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I begin by welcoming the cabinet secretary to his new role and wishing him well. As we have already heard, Mr McKee has been handed what might become the defining task of this Government, which is tackling the £5 billion black hole in Scotland’s finances. As Murdo Fraser has j...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Clare Adamson) SNP Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I call Murdo Fraser, who joins us online.15:47
Michael Marra Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I point gently to the fact that Alyn Smith’s party had an outright majority in the Parliament for one of those parliamentary sessions, so not having had the numbers is not a foolproof excuse.Alyn Smith will find common ground across different areas. My note of caution to him w...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
11 Jun 2026
Public Service Reform (Staff, Service Users and Local Communities)
I should explain that I am having to contribute remotely today due to a family issue; otherwise, I would be in the chamber.I welcome Ivan McKee to his new role as Cabinet Secretary for Public Service Reform. I know that he is keen to dispel the notion that he is here as an axe...
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Meeting of the Parliament 21 May 2014

21 May 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Motion of No Confidence

As the Scottish Government’s mental health strategy states, mental illness is one of the greatest health challenges that we face. However, with appropriate and good-quality treatment and support, people can cope, learn to manage their condition and make a full recovery. Government policy is—rightly—geared towards shifting the balance of care from institutional settings to more community-based provision, where treatment is delivered at home or in the community. All the major stakeholders are signed up to that policy—or at least we thought that they were.

In the past week, following a freedom of information request that my colleague John Pentland submitted 18 months ago and a ruling by the Scottish Information Commissioner that ordered the release of the papers involved, we have established that one of the key players who is supposed to be driving the policy is not signed up to it at all—or at least he was not signed up to it when he thought that it would have an impact on his constituency. That player is the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing—the man in charge of the policy.

As far back as 2006, NHS Lanarkshire identified a need to change how it delivers mental health services. Years of consultation, planning and work with clinicians, staff, patients and voluntary organisations followed, and a consensus emerged that a two-site plan—with acute beds located at Hairmyres hospital and a much-needed intensive psychiatric care unit at Wishaw general hospital, complemented by community-based provision—was the best way forward to deliver much-improved services.

That plan was to help waiting time targets to be achieved, reduce admissions of young people to non-age-specific in-patient beds, extend child and adolescent mental health services provision beyond the age of 16, address the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland’s critique of NHS Lanarkshire being the only mainland board without a dedicated intensive psychiatric care unit and provide a safer and more sustainable medical rota to deliver care. That was approved by the then cabinet secretary, Nicola Sturgeon, and by Lanarkshire Links—the leading mental health organisation in the area—and its members.

Following the Cabinet reshuffle on 5 September 2012, Alex Neil replaced Nicola Sturgeon as the cabinet secretary. He acted immediately and, on 15 September, he advised civil servants that he was reviewing the NHS Lanarkshire proposals and that a final decision would be taken soon.

On 18 September, the then head of NHS Scotland, Derek Feeley, advised Catriona Borland, director for health and workforce planning, that Alex Neil was

“minded to review the decision on Lanarkshire’s mental health proposal.”

On 26 September at 9.43 am, Alex Neil’s private secretary advised civil servants:

“Mr Neil is clear in his view that acute mental health facilities should be retained in both Wishaw and Monklands. The Cabinet Secretary has asked that you seek agreement from NHS Lanarkshire to reconfigure their plans accordingly.”

In other words, he scrapped the proposals that had been endorsed by the stakeholders and his predecessor Nicola Sturgeon.

Later that day, in a reply to Richard Lyle MSP in the chamber, the cabinet secretary said:

“I believe that”

NHS Lanarkshire

“is revising its original proposal for the mental health unit at Monklands with a view to retaining an acute mental health facility at the hospital.”—[Official Report, 26 September 2012; c 11895.]

Of course he believed that the board was reviewing its proposal, because he had instructed it to do so.

However, the plot thickens. It has now been revealed that, at 9.44 that day, several hours before the cabinet secretary answered Richard Lyle’s question, Ian Ross, the chief executive of NHS Lanarkshire, advised him:

“there is no alternative option which can deliver the same benefits within the funding. Any changes to this plan would need to be explained to the key stakeholders including service users and carers who are fully supportive of the proposed developments.”

Only later that day, after all that involvement, did the cabinet secretary decide to take a step back because, as he said,

“there could be a perception of a conflict of interest.”

There was not a perception of a conflict of interest: there was a conflict of interest. Alex Neil had already made a decision that ran contrary to the policy that he was in charge of promoting.

Let us review the evidence and charges against the cabinet secretary. When Nicola Sturgeon was in post, he initially asked her to delay any decision until after the council elections and then until after his holiday, thus putting the needs of mental health patients behind his party and personal interests.

He reversed the decision that Nicola Sturgeon had endorsed to go with the consensus on how to improve services—a decision that NHS Lanarkshire’s chief executive said would result in a

“less than optimal service for patients who might be cared for there.”

He ordered the retention of facilities known to be riddled with asbestos. He worked against the interests of the people of Lanarkshire by pretending to be their saviour when, all along, the clinical evidence was clear that the proposed changes were in the best interest of patients.

He actively opposed his own Government’s policy of shifting the balance of care—the very policy that he was in charge of. He breached the ministerial code by failing to recognise the conflict of interest between his ministerial role of promoting Government policy and his constituency interest and stood back only after he had decided to reverse his predecessor’s decision.

Crucially for members, he misled Parliament by stating that he “believed” that NHS Lanarkshire was reviewing a decision when, as we now know, he had already taken the decision.

I take no pleasure in moving the motion. We have been forced into this position by the cabinet secretary and the First Minister who, in the last week, have singularly failed to come up with—or even try to come up with—a credible answer to the charges that are laid before them.

I say to the other parties that this Parliament has a duty to demand integrity in our political system. The dogs in the street know what Alex Neil has been up to. He has been caught holding the smoking gun, and the First Minister and his deputy know it. We believe that he has misled his constituents and we believe that he has misled this Parliament. For those reasons, we have proposed a vote of no confidence in Alex Neil.

I move,

That the Parliament has no confidence in the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing as a result of his failure to disclose his involvement in the decision to reverse the planned closure of mental health services at Monklands Hospital.

15:40

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-10088, in the name of Neil Findlay, on a motion of no confidence. 15:32
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
As the Scottish Government’s mental health strategy states, mental illness is one of the greatest health challenges that we face. However, with appropriate a...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
Some facts would be helpful for this debate. Upon his appointment as health secretary on 5 September 2012, Alex Neil examined a number of key areas in his p...
Neil Findlay Lab
Mr Matheson was the deputy when Ms Sturgeon made her decision, then the deputy when Mr Neil made his decision. What was his view on each of those occasions?
Michael Matheson SNP
If we deal with the facts Mr Findlay, we might make some progress on this matter—Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Michael Matheson SNP
—rather than just inventing things for the purpose of getting a few headlines. Those are the facts, and they are a matter of public record. The reality is...
Michael McMahon (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab) Lab
If the minister wants to move on to that issue, can he tell us on what basis, when Nicola Sturgeon signed off the option appraisal that showed option 1 as th...
Michael Matheson SNP
Michael McMahon might be interested to know the view of NHS Lanarkshire on the proposed option, which it stated would enable “the most contemporary provisio...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Michael Matheson SNP
I need to make progress. Members can disagree with what I have said and argue that they would have come to a different conclusion, and it is their right to ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Michael Matheson SNP
He did so without fear or favour. If Labour members wish to argue against that decision, that is their right, but that is not what they are doing. They are t...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order. 15:50
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
A motion of no confidence is a very serious matter and not one that the Scottish Conservatives take lightly. After careful consideration, we will be supporti...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to a very short open debate. I call Bob Doris, to be followed by John Pentland. I can give both of you no more than four minutes. 15:54
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
Integrity applies to every member in this chamber, including our Opposition members. I feel that they have not passed that test this afternoon. We are being...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order!
Bob Doris SNP
He is the man who has worked in partnership with the Parliament’s Health and Sport Committee to develop a vastly improved system of access to new medicines i...
Dr Simpson Lab
Will the member give way?
Bob Doris SNP
No, thanks. Let me tell the chamber something I know about health boards—Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
The member is not taking the intervention. Order!
Bob Doris SNP
Just the other day, as deputy convener of the Health and Sport Committee, I took part in a robust evidence session with health boards about their budgets. He...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order!
Bob Doris SNP
Someone must have held up a sign saying, “Clap!” there. Labour members were certainly not thinking for themselves. I expect a cabinet secretary for health t...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Will members please stop barracking the member and let us hear what he has to say?
Bob Doris SNP
As I said to Lewis Macdonald in a previous debate, the louder the Labour Party speaks, the more it realises that it is on shaky ground and that there is noth...
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab
Lanarkshire’s mental health plan was about far more than the two wards at Monklands, but they were Alex Neil’s main focus, even as cabinet secretary. The pla...
The First Minister (Alex Salmond) SNP
I want to take us into three areas of the debate. The first is the question of transparency, on which I will spend some time, because I want to be able to ...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
Will the First Minister take an intervention?