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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.18:01Members’ business will be published tomorrow, 11 June 2026, as soon as the text is available.The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, is: For 71, Against 50, Abstentions 0.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament believes there is a need to restore publi...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
Joe Long (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to vote. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Jenny Gilruth) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, is: For 53, Against 70, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAhmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Bannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bibby, Neil...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, is: For 70, Against 53, Abstentions 0.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, is: For 55, Against 68, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
We move to the vote on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar. Members should cast their votes now.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:53Meeting suspended.17:55On resuming—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There are four questions to be put as a result of today’s business.I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Jamie Hepburn is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Ross Greer will fall.The first question is, that amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepbu...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:53
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Business Motion
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S7M-00301, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a business programme.Motion moved,That the Parliament agrees—(a) the following programme of business—Tuesday 16 June 20262....
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Business Motion
17:52
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That concludes the debate on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics.
Jackie Baillie Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The minister misunderstands and is clearly not listening. The people of Scotland are interested in those wider questions, but that is not what I am suggesting the inquiry should do. I have been very clear on that point.Let me go back to what Robin McAlpine had to say about dem...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I find it interesting that, although Ms Baillie said that it is not for others to take an interest in the SNP’s internal affairs, she is now talking extensively about the appointment of a KC and the thin nature of our internal governance review. It seems that she is taking an ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The key and absolute qualification for any First Minister of Scotland is that“that individual must be able to command the trust of the Parliament and the public.”—Official Report, 28 November 2001; c 4118.Those are not my words but those of John Swinney and, on that point, we ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
No, I do not, so let us move on.The point that I was going to make was one that I made earlier: it is important that, as an institution, we focus on matters that are of primary interest and of paramount importance to the people of Scotland. Instead of raising issues like this,...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I remember how sleazy, arrogant and entitled Labour became when it dominated Scottish politics. Does the minister see that at all in his party?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I will give way to Mr Findlay.
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the member give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
: —that the SNP has won five elections in a row. It has earned the trust of the people for five elections in a row. It is just a matter of fact—there is no arrogance about it; it is just a reality.I think that it is important that we—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Please speak through the chair.
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
It was the mindset that Murrell had.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
It is not a mindset but a matter of fact—
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That is your mindset.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
There are two things there. First, the public can be confident that the crime that has been perpetrated has been fully investigated and prosecuted and there is now a plea. I do not think that any of us is suggesting that there is a lack of confidence in that process—I certainl...
Willie Rennie LD Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That is a very generous offer, but I will have to decline.The minister is talking about the SNP investigating itself. How does that improve the confidence of the public in the Government party in this country?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I do not think that Mr Rennie is one of those SNP members, but maybe he wants to apply to join—we might let him come on board.I will give way one more time, to Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That brings me to a point that I was going to make later, because it picks up on a point that Willie Rennie made—I see that Mr Rennie is now paying attention to me. He made the point that my party does not want to do anything in response to some of the issues that have arisen ...
Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The minister does not want to accept questions coming from other parts of the chamber. Does he accept that questions are also coming from people who served his party, both in the NEC and in Parliaments? Those people are saying that blocks and obstructions were put in the way o...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I will give way one more time.
Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That was a wonderful pre-prepared line delivered tremendously well, Ms Lindsay. We look forward to much more of that.The past few weeks have been uncomfortable, difficult and very distressing for many of us—I will not pretend otherwise. No one would believe me if I did. Howeve...
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The only thing that I would say in response to that is that the SNP lecturing Reform on sleaze is like Lord Mandelson selling ethics lessons. No one is buying it.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I say to Amanda Lindsay that I might take more seriously the notion that my party operated like a syndicate if her party was not one that had been formed as a private limited company that is owned by one individual. Let us just remember where we are all starting from. Interrup...
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Yet, when it comes to holding one of its own to account for embezzling party funds, the urgency mysteriously disappears.Meanwhile, Scottish Labour, which called this debate, might want to reflect on its party’s sleazy history. After all, its hero, Lord Mandelson, was twice for...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The member must be heard.
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Instead of full transparency, we have had silence, deflection and obstruction. The First Minister likes to lecture others about integrity, yet he still refuses to put country before party. If he truly believes in restoring public trust, he must stop hiding behind lawyers and f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
No, no, minister. The member does not have to take interventions.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Ah, come on!
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Forgive me, but I wish to make progress.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the member give way?
Amanda Lindsay (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I support this debate and back calls for a full parliamentary inquiry into the shocking embezzlement of party funds by Peter Murrell.The Scottish people deserve the truth. For years, the SNP has presented itself as a slick, professional political machine. In reality, it has op...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I think that Anas Sarwar would be horrified if a former or a current leader of a political party told its members how they should vote on a committee decision. Interruption. That is for committees to decide, and I am not going to instruct any—Interruption. Look at him laughing...
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Mr Harvie says that committees in this Parliament could investigate certain prosecutions. To clarify, if a motion came to the justice committee, would his party support such an investigation by the justice committee?
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I beg your pardon, Presiding Officer. I was just discovering how much some speeches improve when I remove my hearing aids.Sadly, today, we have very much seen the debate that I expected. There has been some opportunistic partisanship dressed up as principled concern, and there...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 02 April 2014

02 Apr 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mental Health

I am delighted that we have had the debate and I am proud of the fact that Scottish Liberal Democrats have enabled it to happen. It has certainly been all too brief but, nonetheless, it has provided an opportunity to reflect on an issue that, despite the various debates that we have had, often still struggles to gain the attention that it deserves.

The conclusion that I draw is that it is now time for mental health to enjoy parity of esteem in legislation with physical health. The minister argued entirely justifiably that progress has been made and that measures are in place to go further on targets, data and service improvement. Nevertheless, that still falls short of putting mental health on an equal legislative footing with physical health, and we need to go further.

As Jackson Carlaw said, it has been a good debate. It has rightly and helpfully drawn on the personal experiences of a number of members. Nanette Milne reminded us of the practice in Fife that is delivering real benefits to children and adolescents. Aileen McLeod talked of an initiative in the south of Scotland that is reducing patient dependence on medicines. Malcolm Chisholm was building up to give us a raft of good examples of excellent practice. We need to bear that in mind as we advance the debate about where we want improvements to be made.

That personal approach should surprise no one. One in four of us will suffer poor mental health at some point in our lives, while three quarters of us know someone with a mental health problem. I am among that 75 per cent. A couple of years ago, I attended the funeral of a good friend—a former colleague and flatmate—who tragically took his own life after a long battle with depression.

I first met Andy in the House of Commons, where we started working around the same time following university. It was immediately clear that he was a class act. He was a passionate advocate for the causes that he cared about, notably the environment—and that was at a time when environmental issues were still dismissed as the obsession of a loony fringe. Andy combined that passion with a real political insight, a wicked sense of humour and a generosity of spirit that made him brilliant company and a privilege to know. However, there was always a sense that he was keeping something back—aspects of his life that he was reluctant to share.

It emerged only later that he suffered serious and utterly debilitating bouts of depression. During those times, he would retreat completely from the world, cutting himself off from family, friends and anyone else who might have been able to help. I am not sure what any of us could have done for Andy in the latter stages, but I cannot escape the feeling that, had he been able to open up earlier about the mental health problems that he was clearly suffering, it might have been possible to support him better and enable him to cope with the condition that, eventually, killed him at a wastefully young age. In the early 1990s, the stigma that surrounds mental health was more oppressive than it is today. It is not hard to see why opening up about a mental health problem was the last thing that a young bloke from Yorkshire who was intent on proving himself in the big city would want to do.

We have come a long way in the past two decades and more. Like Colin Keir and others, I record my admiration for the work that those involved in the see me campaign have done in recent years and I welcome the refounding of that initiative for the next three years. However, I firmly believe—I think that it has been acknowledged across the chamber—that we have not come far enough.

As Jim Hume and Nanette Milne reminded us, mental illness remains the dominant health problem for people of working age. It continues to damage careers, relationships and lives. The financial costs—let alone the human costs—are colossal.

Like others, I record again my support for the Scottish Government’s mental health strategy, which has been a welcome and important step forward. Among other things, it recognises that it is critical to provide effective treatment in a timely fashion. Such treatment can safeguard the individual’s welfare in the first instance and, without offering any guarantees, it increases the chances of a person enjoying good mental health subsequently.

That is why the waiting time target to which the minister’s amendment refers is particularly welcome. However, as Jim Hume said, after encouraging early signs of progress towards meeting the target, recent figures suggest that we are moving in the wrong direction in some cases.

There are regional variations between health boards, which open up the prospect of a postcode lottery—Malcolm Chisholm gave us an illustration of that from his constituency. Additional experts have been recruited, but there is evidence of variations in the per capita ratio of psychologists in different parts of the country. That concerns the only element of the Government’s amendment with which we perhaps have a problem. I have no doubt that the situation partly reflects increased public awareness, which is very welcome. However, I presume that a rise in referrals was expected when targets were set and resources were allocated.

Variability is also a feature of the conclusions from SAMH’s know where to go campaign. It found that people who live in remote and rural areas, people from black and ethnic minority communities and people who live in deprived areas face additional barriers to accessing information, help and support. Multiple health and social problems, reduced expectations and lower health literacy have all been found by SAMH to contribute to poorer outcomes in more deprived areas. Ken Macintosh, Neil Findlay and others reasonably made that point.

As Jackson Carlaw suggested, the only discordant note was in Kevin Stewart’s speech. That speech would have carried more weight if the white paper contained evidence about where the additional resources would come from or about a different approach being mapped out for welfare reform.

Rural areas suffer from specific problems. Orkney minds and Orkney Blide Trust do phenomenal work in the islands that I represent, but a culture of self-reliance and stoicism can work against efforts to get people with health issues, including poor mental health, to engage early with medical professionals. Even when the wider community is a source of support, that can almost make things more difficult and increase the fear of stigma for not just the individual but their wider family. SAMH makes similar points about ethnic minority communities. In both instances, the result is delays in people seeking help for mental health problems. That matters because, as SAMH explains,

“The later individuals engage with health services, the more complex their treatment and recovery”

will be.

As I said, we very much support the Government’s strategy on waiting time targets and on the data to inform future decisions. The 10-year follow-up to the Grant report is welcome and I hope that it will address some of the concerns that Richard Simpson raised about children spending time on adult wards, whether through the provision of additional beds or through a service redesign. That issue needs to be addressed.

Despite the Government’s strategy and the efforts of see me and other excellent initiatives in recent years, it is clear that mental ill health is still taboo for too many people. As Nick Clegg pointed out when launching a UK Government action plan on mental health recently, the treatment of those who suffer from mental ill health is

“outdated; stuck in the dark ages; full of stigma and stereotypes.”

He is right.

One speaker at the see me event in Parliament that Fiona McLeod hosted recently defined stigma as making someone go from feeling whole and usual to feeling tainted and deficient. That is simply not right. It is also one of the strongest reasons why putting mental health and physical health on an equal footing in law makes sense. Discrimination that we would not see against those who have a physical disability or condition is still all too common against those who have a mental health problem.

The issue is not whose strategy is best but how one can learn from others in the interests of meeting the needs of those who suffer poor mental health. In all parties across the chamber, there is an appetite for the issue to be discussed more openly, taken more seriously and addressed more effectively. Mental ill health is not a second-class condition. Ultimately, there is no good health without good mental health. I support the motion in Jim Hume’s name.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09558, in the name of Jim Hume, on improving Scotland’s mental health. 15:50
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
A little over 15 months have passed since the Parliament last had the chance to thoroughly debate mental health issues. On that occasion, the Scottish Govern...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to have this debate. Mental health issues have a high profile in Scotland. Indeed, this Parliament has regularly debated mental hea...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The member is in his last minute.
Michael Matheson SNP
It is important that we build on the good progress that we have made in recent years in order to reduce discrimination against and stigma towards mental ill ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Mental illness is one of our time’s most prevalent conditions. Its economic, social and personal impacts can be, and often are, devastating. Across Europe, m...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the Liberal Democrats’ decision to debate Scotland’s mental health, although it is perhaps a little premature, given that the 10 year follow-up to ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks. We move to open debate. 16:16
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this afternoon's debate on what is a vital issue for tens of thousands of people across Scotland. In last year’s debate...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
We should always begin health debates with positive stories, and it is very easy to find them because we have that wonderful organisation Patient Opinion her...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You are in your final minute.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
We should also remember that we need services that are available for all young people. In that regard, the Place2Be project is really good, because it is ava...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
As my niece is a psychologist for NHS Borders, I know that mental health is a major issue, but I was not aware of the magnitude of the problem. As Neil Findl...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
I thank Jim Hume and his Liberal Democrat colleagues for bringing this debate to the chamber. Although there is some contention among the parties on what res...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I am glad to have been given the opportunity to talk about mental health issues here today. A number of members have looked at some of the positives that hav...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the closing speeches. 16:37
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Jim Hume for the way in which he opened this short debate, which turned out to be two debates for the price of one. I will concentrate on the motion ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of interests, as I am a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, honorary professor of psychology ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Much has been said today about psychological therapies. Does Dr Simpson share my concern that psychological therapies do not necessarily address the needs of...
Dr Simpson Lab
I will come on to that. Early identification of mental health problems is vital, so we really need to look at the tier 1 and 2 services, which are considerab...
Michael Matheson SNP
This has been a useful debate. I want to draw it together in a consensual fashion, because our mental health debates have largely had a consensus around them...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will the minister give way?
Michael Matheson SNP
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Not much, but on you go.
Neil Findlay Lab
I support a great deal of what the minister said, but I say gently that, at some point, we have to have a serious discussion about the funding of local gover...
Michael Matheson SNP
The Labour Party is free to propose a debate on that issue if it wishes and we can respond to such points. However, there has been a significant improvement ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I am delighted that we have had the debate and I am proud of the fact that Scottish Liberal Democrats have enabled it to happen. It has certainly been all to...