Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 13 November 2013
13 Nov 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Parks
I congratulate Claire Baker on securing the debate. Although I supported her motion, she will be aware that I have lodged what I hope she sees as a friendly amendment. I will refer to that later because it is pertinent to the debate.
I share Claire Baker’s call for a Scotland-wide debate, beyond these walls and this bubble, with the Scottish public. However, we need to keep within realistic funding packages, as we know that we have tight constraints.
I also share the sentiments in the “Unfinished Business” report that
“Scotland’s landscape ranks amongst the best in the world”.
Some of that sits right on the Parliament’s doorstep. We take Arthur’s Seat for granted and, not far flung from here, the Pentland hills have what is called a stunning landscape signature, which lets people know that they are approaching the capital city.
As you are aware, Presiding Officer, my amendment
“notes what it”—
the Parliament—
“considers the important distinction between national and regional parks, such as Pentland Hills”
and
“Clyde Muirshiel”.
The distinction is relevant.
A national park area has substantial protection. There are structured and audited governance arrangements as well as substantial central Government funding, although private funding is levered in.
Sometimes the restrictions are not always popular with the residents, but they should always remember that they are lucky to live in a national park area. It is a privilege to live in an area that is for the use of generations to come.
Regional parks are substantially different from national parks. The first regional parks were set up in the 1960s and the one that I am interested in—the Pentland hills regional park—was established in 1986. Its governance is much looser than that of the national parks. It simply involves a coming together of the local authorities that bound it to fund it in cash or in kind by providing wardens or funding to do the same things that are done in the national parks, such as ensuring that the public can use it responsibly, repairing paths and assisting businesses. Its governance is not really structured and it does not have central Government input—the input comes through local authorities, whose funding is at a pinchpoint.
The problem with the Pentland hills regional park is that when it was set up—which was at the time of regional authorities—the Borders Regional Council and Strathclyde Regional Council areas did not fall within it, with the result that only 43 per cent of the park is protected. I publicise the fact that I intend to lodge a bill to extend the boundary of the regional park to take in the southern part, which would bring in another two local authorities. Before I scare the horses, I make it clear that I am making a distinction between a national park, where planning is rightly regulated, and a regional park, which has very limited protection. I know that some parties in the Pentland hills regional park are frightened of the park becoming a national park in one leap, but the protection that regional park status brings should be there, even though it is less than the protection that national park status brings.
I have no intention of altering the constitution, as such, of the Pentland hills regional park, but I would like the debate about national parks, which Claire Baker has rightly brought to the chamber, to embrace regional parks and, indeed, national areas of scenic beauty. We have a very mixed bag of designations and definitions. If we are to protect Scotland’s landscape, we must bring those together in any debate that we have so that we understand how they interlock and the different functions that they have. We must also talk about them in language that the public will understand so that we all benefit from the landscape around us, particularly as the built environment encroaches on it more and more.
I congratulate Claire Baker on securing the debate. I hope that she does not mind me introducing the issue of regional parks, because I think that the two types of park are strongly linked, and not many people know about the distinction between regional parks and national parks.
17:17
I share Claire Baker’s call for a Scotland-wide debate, beyond these walls and this bubble, with the Scottish public. However, we need to keep within realistic funding packages, as we know that we have tight constraints.
I also share the sentiments in the “Unfinished Business” report that
“Scotland’s landscape ranks amongst the best in the world”.
Some of that sits right on the Parliament’s doorstep. We take Arthur’s Seat for granted and, not far flung from here, the Pentland hills have what is called a stunning landscape signature, which lets people know that they are approaching the capital city.
As you are aware, Presiding Officer, my amendment
“notes what it”—
the Parliament—
“considers the important distinction between national and regional parks, such as Pentland Hills”
and
“Clyde Muirshiel”.
The distinction is relevant.
A national park area has substantial protection. There are structured and audited governance arrangements as well as substantial central Government funding, although private funding is levered in.
Sometimes the restrictions are not always popular with the residents, but they should always remember that they are lucky to live in a national park area. It is a privilege to live in an area that is for the use of generations to come.
Regional parks are substantially different from national parks. The first regional parks were set up in the 1960s and the one that I am interested in—the Pentland hills regional park—was established in 1986. Its governance is much looser than that of the national parks. It simply involves a coming together of the local authorities that bound it to fund it in cash or in kind by providing wardens or funding to do the same things that are done in the national parks, such as ensuring that the public can use it responsibly, repairing paths and assisting businesses. Its governance is not really structured and it does not have central Government input—the input comes through local authorities, whose funding is at a pinchpoint.
The problem with the Pentland hills regional park is that when it was set up—which was at the time of regional authorities—the Borders Regional Council and Strathclyde Regional Council areas did not fall within it, with the result that only 43 per cent of the park is protected. I publicise the fact that I intend to lodge a bill to extend the boundary of the regional park to take in the southern part, which would bring in another two local authorities. Before I scare the horses, I make it clear that I am making a distinction between a national park, where planning is rightly regulated, and a regional park, which has very limited protection. I know that some parties in the Pentland hills regional park are frightened of the park becoming a national park in one leap, but the protection that regional park status brings should be there, even though it is less than the protection that national park status brings.
I have no intention of altering the constitution, as such, of the Pentland hills regional park, but I would like the debate about national parks, which Claire Baker has rightly brought to the chamber, to embrace regional parks and, indeed, national areas of scenic beauty. We have a very mixed bag of designations and definitions. If we are to protect Scotland’s landscape, we must bring those together in any debate that we have so that we understand how they interlock and the different functions that they have. We must also talk about them in language that the public will understand so that we all benefit from the landscape around us, particularly as the built environment encroaches on it more and more.
I congratulate Claire Baker on securing the debate. I hope that she does not mind me introducing the issue of regional parks, because I think that the two types of park are strongly linked, and not many people know about the distinction between regional parks and national parks.
17:17
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
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Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
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Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
SNP
I congratulate Claire Baker on securing the debate. Although I supported her motion, she will be aware that I have lodged what I hope she sees as a friendly ...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
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The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse)
SNP
I thank Sarah Boyack for taking an intervention and assure that I will not take too much time over it. I simply wonder whether, having recognised the resourc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I will give you that time back, Ms Boyack.
Sarah Boyack
Lab
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer.That is exactly why we need a ministerial lead. Over the years, there have been many suggestions for different nationa...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
As other members have done, I congratulate Claire Baker on securing the debate.As a member of the Rural Affairs Committee from 1999, I was involved in Parlia...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I invite Paul Wheelhouse to respond to the debate. Minister, you have seven minutes.17:31
The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse)
SNP
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Claire Baker
Lab
I, too, have had meetings with John Mayhew and others who are interested in the issue. My impression was more that they were keen for the debate to be on the...
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
Presiding Officer, I look to you for guidance on whether I will get that time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
You will.
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
I understand the member’s point, and I will come on to explain the wider strategy.The report states:“We consider that a pragmatic approach should be taken to...
Christine Grahame
SNP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
I am really short of time, so I will not, unless the Presiding Officer gives me some latitude.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I will allow you extra time if you wish to take the intervention, minister.
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer.
Christine Grahame
SNP
Will the minister or his officials engage with the Pentland hills regional park consultative forum? He will be happy to hear that it is not looking for money...
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
As the member knows, I have written to her on the matter. The key issue is really the support of local authorities for the extension to the regional park bou...