Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 05 June 2013
05 Jun 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Reform
I am pleased to open this debate on land reform, which has been brought forward by Scottish Labour.
Under devolution, a Labour-led Executive introduced the first truly reforming land legislation in Scotland. Public access, national parks, farming tenancies, the crofting right to buy and the extension of rights to community ownership were covered. The aims behind the policies were to modernise land laws, encourage the diversification of ownership and create opportunities. The Scottish Parliament supported those aims, and I would like the Parliament to regain those ambitions.
Scottish Labour is prepared to listen to radical and innovative solutions and to progress policies that will make a difference and move forward the land reform agenda. We know that 432 individuals own half the land and that a mere 16 people own 10 per cent of Scotland. Some might argue, “What is wrong with that? Why should we be concerned about ownership, when what matters is what happens on the land?” However, the two aspects are inextricably linked. We cannot create a more socially just Scotland without tackling land ownership. In our aim to create a fairer use of land that provides more opportunities for more people and in which public subsidy is used for the greatest possible public benefit, we will support bold solutions with the aim of promoting greater equality and ownership, as we recognise the economic and social benefits that that can bring.
The Scottish Government launched the land reform review group with a wide remit, which was to
“Generate, support, promote, and deliver new relationships between land, people, economy and environment in Scotland”.
That suggested that the Scottish Government shared that ambition. When the First Minister announced the LRRG’s establishment in July last year, he said:
“I want this review to deliver radical change for both rural and urban areas, developing new ideas which will improve current legislation as well as generating even more innovative proposals.”
We support the establishment of an expert group. Delivering on land reform will never be easy. The experience with the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003, elements of which are still being challenged, shows that that is often not an easy path for politicians to tread. It generates strong emotions and challenges vested interests. An expert independent group can provide expertise and knowledge to make recommendations and push the agenda forward.
However, the interim report has been met largely with disappointment and criticism from land reformists because of the group’s lack of expertise in many key areas, the decision that it took to narrow the remit and the dearth of radical proposals or options for further development. Community Land Scotland welcomed aspects of the report, but it had significant concerns about the direction of travel. For example, it said:
“We have concerns that the interim report’s description of more people having a ‘stake’ in the land is limited almost exclusively to communities having a greater say in land use, not the economic ‘stake’ in the land we think is vital in developing more resilient and sustainable communities.”
Yesterday, there was a powerful statement from Professor Jim Hunter, who was an original member of the LRRG. He said:
“If the Scottish Government are serious about land reform, Ministers and the government machine more generally must be involved directly in the work of the group ... As it is, we’re now six years into an SNP Government which has so far done absolutely nothing legislatively about the fact that Scotland continues to be stuck with the most concentrated, most inequitable, most unreformed and most undemocratic land ownership system in the entire developed world.”
Under devolution, a Labour-led Executive introduced the first truly reforming land legislation in Scotland. Public access, national parks, farming tenancies, the crofting right to buy and the extension of rights to community ownership were covered. The aims behind the policies were to modernise land laws, encourage the diversification of ownership and create opportunities. The Scottish Parliament supported those aims, and I would like the Parliament to regain those ambitions.
Scottish Labour is prepared to listen to radical and innovative solutions and to progress policies that will make a difference and move forward the land reform agenda. We know that 432 individuals own half the land and that a mere 16 people own 10 per cent of Scotland. Some might argue, “What is wrong with that? Why should we be concerned about ownership, when what matters is what happens on the land?” However, the two aspects are inextricably linked. We cannot create a more socially just Scotland without tackling land ownership. In our aim to create a fairer use of land that provides more opportunities for more people and in which public subsidy is used for the greatest possible public benefit, we will support bold solutions with the aim of promoting greater equality and ownership, as we recognise the economic and social benefits that that can bring.
The Scottish Government launched the land reform review group with a wide remit, which was to
“Generate, support, promote, and deliver new relationships between land, people, economy and environment in Scotland”.
That suggested that the Scottish Government shared that ambition. When the First Minister announced the LRRG’s establishment in July last year, he said:
“I want this review to deliver radical change for both rural and urban areas, developing new ideas which will improve current legislation as well as generating even more innovative proposals.”
We support the establishment of an expert group. Delivering on land reform will never be easy. The experience with the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003, elements of which are still being challenged, shows that that is often not an easy path for politicians to tread. It generates strong emotions and challenges vested interests. An expert independent group can provide expertise and knowledge to make recommendations and push the agenda forward.
However, the interim report has been met largely with disappointment and criticism from land reformists because of the group’s lack of expertise in many key areas, the decision that it took to narrow the remit and the dearth of radical proposals or options for further development. Community Land Scotland welcomed aspects of the report, but it had significant concerns about the direction of travel. For example, it said:
“We have concerns that the interim report’s description of more people having a ‘stake’ in the land is limited almost exclusively to communities having a greater say in land use, not the economic ‘stake’ in the land we think is vital in developing more resilient and sustainable communities.”
Yesterday, there was a powerful statement from Professor Jim Hunter, who was an original member of the LRRG. He said:
“If the Scottish Government are serious about land reform, Ministers and the government machine more generally must be involved directly in the work of the group ... As it is, we’re now six years into an SNP Government which has so far done absolutely nothing legislatively about the fact that Scotland continues to be stuck with the most concentrated, most inequitable, most unreformed and most undemocratic land ownership system in the entire developed world.”
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-06845, in the name of Claire Baker, on land reform.14:40
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to open this debate on land reform, which has been brought forward by Scottish Labour.Under devolution, a Labour-led Executive introduced the fi...
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
I hope that our respective parties can stay united on the need for further land reform, as we will otherwise play into the hands of those who resist change. ...
Claire Baker
Lab
To be honest, I am disappointed by that intervention, because I thought that we agreed on the need for radical land reform. The member will know how difficul...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
Does the member accept that considerable work is going on, particularly through the tenant farming forum, to look at land tenancy issues? Does she accept tha...
Claire Baker
Lab
I do not accept that, and I will comment on the forum. Until the publication of the report last week, tenant farming was to be part of the review. However, t...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)
SNP
Will the member give way?
Claire Baker
Lab
I am sorry, but I am really pushed for time and I want to make a few further points.The review that the Scottish Government proposes looks pretty narrow: it ...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Claire Baker
Lab
I apologise, but I am really pushed for time in this short debate.The Government’s amendment highlights the group’s independence. However, although it is ind...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I inform members that we are tight for time and that the allocated speaking times must be adhered to.14:51
The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse)
SNP
I am delighted to lead in the debate for the Scottish Government and I am grateful for the opportunity to discuss such an important subject. As Claire Baker ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green)
Green
Does the minister agree that, although community ownership is important, a land reform agenda cannot be limited to community ownership?
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
I will be happy to address that point later in my speech, and I certainly agree with Patrick Harvie that the land reform agenda should not be constrained.As ...
Claire Baker
Lab
I welcome the minister’s announcement of the group’s expanded membership. However, I note that it has agreed quite a narrow remit. Will there be a chance to ...
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
There is no change per se to the group’s remit, but the work that it carried out in phase 1 identified the areas that it feels it necessary to pursue in grea...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I call Alex Fergusson, who has five minutes.14:58
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
As it is often insinuated that we Conservatives are simply against land reform, I take this opportunity to say that nothing could be further from the truth. ...
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
Will the member give way?
Alex Fergusson
Con
I am afraid that I have only five minutes, so the minister will have to forgive me that cheap jibe.On a slightly more important note, the same Professor Jim ...
Claire Baker
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Fergusson
Con
I just do not have time—I really am sorry. You chose to have a short debate, so I cannot help you.Furthermore, we are asked to recognise that“the Scottish Go...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I remind all members that they must speak through the chair, please.15:03
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
In his chapter on the proper use of land in “Small Is Beautiful”, E F Schumacher says:“Among material resources, the greatest, unquestionably, is that land. ...
Claire Baker
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Rob Gibson
SNP
I have no time for interventions—I am sorry.The pace of land reform is quickening, not slackening, under the SNP Government. The tenant farming forum is unde...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
Four hundred and thirty-two people own half of Scotland. Nowhere else in the European Union or, indeed, the rest of the world is land ownership so skewed to ...
Paul Wheelhouse
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Rhoda Grant
Lab
I am short of time and I want to make another couple of points.The commitment to extend community right to buy in urban areas should have been in the report,...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I welcome the debate secured by Claire Baker. Like others before me, I wish that Mrs Baker had waited for the independent group looking at the future of land...