Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 29 March 2012
29 Mar 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Local Energy Companies
We clearly and explicitly want to encourage communities to own renewables schemes. There is no dubiety about that so far as I am aware. That is the best model—in which there is ownership, and not just the receipt of a cheque, albeit a bigger cheque than used to be the case, because the tariff is now moving up to £5,000 per megawatt. The best model—the one to which we aspire—is one in which communities have a stake in the ownership, such as Falck Renewables in Fintry. We want Scotland’s communities to benefit as owners and not just as recipients of cheques, no matter that that in itself creates great benefit. Once again, Mr Harvie and I are in agreement.
Our community and renewable energy scheme will provide some £25 million over the next three years to support community and locally owned renewables projects across Scotland.
The SFT and COSLA have been working to highlight examples of public sector involvement in renewables and the main commercial structures for local authorities to take forward those schemes. We welcome that work and we will support it where possible.
However, the suggestion that local authorities should form local energy companies to enter the energy wholesale market is a different matter. It raises a challenging and complex set of issues, in which market participants take on significant contractual and financial liabilities and are exposed to significant market and financial risk. That is extremely uncomfortable territory for public sector bodies on fixed budgets, which, they tell us, are already stretched to the limit.
The market is challenging for new entrants. The vast majority—up to 90 per cent—of wholesale electricity market trading happens between generation and supply businesses in vertically integrated companies: the big six are SSE, Scottish Power, RWE npower, EDF Energy, Centrica and E.ON. The remaining over-the-counter business happens either through third-party brokerage or on trading platforms for electricity products—power exchanges—where there are membership fees and other requirements. The key point is that taking part in that market demands that challenging credit and collateral requirements are met. Market participants must be able to access and agree credit, the cost of which fluctuates proportionately to their perceived capability to manage risk. They must post collateral as security for their trading activities and must have the institutional capacity and capability to understand how the market works. They must also properly resource their risk—that is essential in protecting consumers from the unacceptable costs of short-term or irresponsible trading and from a market player going bust. It is not an attractive proposition for a local authority.
Our community and renewable energy scheme will provide some £25 million over the next three years to support community and locally owned renewables projects across Scotland.
The SFT and COSLA have been working to highlight examples of public sector involvement in renewables and the main commercial structures for local authorities to take forward those schemes. We welcome that work and we will support it where possible.
However, the suggestion that local authorities should form local energy companies to enter the energy wholesale market is a different matter. It raises a challenging and complex set of issues, in which market participants take on significant contractual and financial liabilities and are exposed to significant market and financial risk. That is extremely uncomfortable territory for public sector bodies on fixed budgets, which, they tell us, are already stretched to the limit.
The market is challenging for new entrants. The vast majority—up to 90 per cent—of wholesale electricity market trading happens between generation and supply businesses in vertically integrated companies: the big six are SSE, Scottish Power, RWE npower, EDF Energy, Centrica and E.ON. The remaining over-the-counter business happens either through third-party brokerage or on trading platforms for electricity products—power exchanges—where there are membership fees and other requirements. The key point is that taking part in that market demands that challenging credit and collateral requirements are met. Market participants must be able to access and agree credit, the cost of which fluctuates proportionately to their perceived capability to manage risk. They must post collateral as security for their trading activities and must have the institutional capacity and capability to understand how the market works. They must also properly resource their risk—that is essential in protecting consumers from the unacceptable costs of short-term or irresponsible trading and from a market player going bust. It is not an attractive proposition for a local authority.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02523, in the name of Patrick Harvie, on local energy companies. 10:25
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green)
Green
When the Greens bring motions to the chamber for debate, we usually take what we laughingly call a soft-and-spiky approach. We lodge one consensual and const...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
SNP
The Aberdeen combined heat and power scheme has got it right in my opinion. In part, the expansion in recent times has been down to the £1 million grant that...
Patrick Harvie
Green
That gets to one of the central issues. There should not be insistence, but there should be strong and compelling leadership at local and central Government ...
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing)
SNP
I am delighted to accept the invitation in the wording of the motion to reaffirm Scotland’s commitment to its ambitious, world-leading climate change targets...
Patrick Harvie
Green
I am glad that the minister mentions the 500MW target. It includes local ownership, and not just community ownership. My motion is about community and public...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
We clearly and explicitly want to encourage communities to own renewables schemes. There is no dubiety about that so far as I am aware. That is the best mode...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
I do not play down any of the problems and complexities that the minister has outlined. However, community development trusts have got into the market in rec...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
Those are suppliers of capacity, not retailers of electricity—there is a difference.We are happy to look carefully at the emerging possibilities. The current...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
I very much welcome the debate on local energy companies and hope that it will stimulate action. We will not all agree on everything, but I suspect that ther...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
Will Ms Boyack give way?
Sarah Boyack
Lab
No—I have only one minute left.I welcome the minister’s support for our amendment. We believe that it is crucial that the Government comes back to Parliament...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I call Mary Scanlon, who has a strict five minutes.10:48
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
I, too, thank the Scottish Green Party for bringing the debate to the Parliament. I agree with most of Patrick Harvie’s motion—I am sure that he can guess th...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
SNP
A few years ago, I was lucky enough to be invited to a community conference on the island of Gigha, just after the people there had switched on their three w...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie
SNP
No, I have only four minutes.Little Scotland can, by becoming the world’s laboratory, make an unparalleled contribution to mankind in solving the problem of ...
Patrick Harvie
Green
Will the member give way?
Mike MacKenzie
SNP
No, I am sorry—I have only two minutes.Business excels at investing in new technology, and if we are to fulfil those targets and achieve all the benefits tha...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I hope and believe that the Parliament will reaffirm Scotland’s ambitious targets on climate change and renewable energy, and I am happy to continue to commi...
Mike MacKenzie
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Mark Griffin
Lab
I am sorry, but I am tight for time.It is right that we should push for the creation of public energy companies that are publicly owned and publicly controll...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
SNP
The city of Aberdeen is recognised as the oil and gas capital of Europe, and my constituency of Aberdeenshire West hopes to become the renewables capital. Th...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
I, too, congratulate the less spiky, new-style Patrick Harvie on bringing the debate to the chamber, and confirm that his motion and Sarah Boyack’s amendment...
Mike MacKenzie
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam McArthur
LD
I am sorry, but I do not have enough time.Patrick Harvie is right: we need to do more to demonstrate how the renewables agenda can and will serve the common ...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
SNP
I, too, thank Patrick Harvie for bringing the issue of local energy companies to the chamber for an important debate.We should remind ourselves of the Govern...
John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I disagree with Patrick Harvie; he has not been confrontational this morning—I am sure that members who remember debates on similar subjects in the previous ...
Mary Scanlon
Con
In my opening speech, I highlighted good and bad experience. Caithness Heat and Power could have benefited from the advice that is now available from Highlan...
Mike MacKenzie
SNP
Will the member give way?