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The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
That concludes decision time.18:01Members’ business will be published tomorrow, 11 June 2026, as soon as the text is available.The rest of this Official Report will be published progressively as soon as the text is available.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, is: For 71, Against 50, Abstentions 0.Motion, as amended, agreed to,That the Parliament believes there is a need to restore publi...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Ahmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
Joe Long (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I was unable to vote. I would have voted no.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
Your vote has been recorded.
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Jenny Gilruth) SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.The vote is closed.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The final question is, that motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, is: For 53, Against 70, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAhmed, Irshad (Edinburgh and Lothians East) (Lab)Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)Bannerman, Max (Highlands and Islands) (Reform)Baxter, Andrew (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (LD)Beresford, Senga (South Scotland) (Reform)Bibby, Neil...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.3, in the name of Russell Findlay, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, is: For 70, Against 53, Abstentions 0.Amendment agreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S7M-00294.2, in the name of Ross Greer, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar, on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics, be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
The result of the division on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, is: For 55, Against 68, Abstentions 0.Amendment disagreed to.
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
ForAdam, George (Paisley) (SNP)Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)Anderson, Heather (Dundee City West) (SNP)Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire West and Levern Valley) (SNP)Barratt, David (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)Beattie, Colin (Midlothi...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
We move to the vote on amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, which seeks to amend motion S7M-00294, in the name of Anas Sarwar. Members should cast their votes now.
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There will be a division.There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system.17:53Meeting suspended.17:55On resuming—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
There are four questions to be put as a result of today’s business.I remind members that, if the amendment in the name of Jamie Hepburn is agreed to, the amendment in the name of Ross Greer will fall.The first question is, that amendment S7M-00294.1, in the name of Jamie Hepbu...
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Decision Time
17:53
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Business Motion
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S7M-00301, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a business programme.Motion moved,That the Parliament agrees—(a) the following programme of business—Tuesday 16 June 20262....
Speaker unknown Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Business Motion
17:52
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That concludes the debate on an inquiry to restore public trust in Scottish politics.
Jackie Baillie Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The minister misunderstands and is clearly not listening. The people of Scotland are interested in those wider questions, but that is not what I am suggesting the inquiry should do. I have been very clear on that point.Let me go back to what Robin McAlpine had to say about dem...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I find it interesting that, although Ms Baillie said that it is not for others to take an interest in the SNP’s internal affairs, she is now talking extensively about the appointment of a KC and the thin nature of our internal governance review. It seems that she is taking an ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The key and absolute qualification for any First Minister of Scotland is that“that individual must be able to command the trust of the Parliament and the public.”—Official Report, 28 November 2001; c 4118.Those are not my words but those of John Swinney and, on that point, we ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
No, I do not, so let us move on.The point that I was going to make was one that I made earlier: it is important that, as an institution, we focus on matters that are of primary interest and of paramount importance to the people of Scotland. Instead of raising issues like this,...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I remember how sleazy, arrogant and entitled Labour became when it dominated Scottish politics. Does the minister see that at all in his party?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I will give way to Mr Findlay.
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the member give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
: —that the SNP has won five elections in a row. It has earned the trust of the people for five elections in a row. It is just a matter of fact—there is no arrogance about it; it is just a reality.I think that it is important that we—
The Presiding Officer (Kenneth Gibson) NPA Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Please speak through the chair.
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
It was the mindset that Murrell had.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
It is not a mindset but a matter of fact—
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That is your mindset.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
There are two things there. First, the public can be confident that the crime that has been perpetrated has been fully investigated and prosecuted and there is now a plea. I do not think that any of us is suggesting that there is a lack of confidence in that process—I certainl...
Willie Rennie LD Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That is a very generous offer, but I will have to decline.The minister is talking about the SNP investigating itself. How does that improve the confidence of the public in the Government party in this country?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I do not think that Mr Rennie is one of those SNP members, but maybe he wants to apply to join—we might let him come on board.I will give way one more time, to Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That brings me to a point that I was going to make later, because it picks up on a point that Willie Rennie made—I see that Mr Rennie is now paying attention to me. He made the point that my party does not want to do anything in response to some of the issues that have arisen ...
Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The minister does not want to accept questions coming from other parts of the chamber. Does he accept that questions are also coming from people who served his party, both in the NEC and in Parliaments? Those people are saying that blocks and obstructions were put in the way o...
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I will give way one more time.
Daniel Johnson Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
That was a wonderful pre-prepared line delivered tremendously well, Ms Lindsay. We look forward to much more of that.The past few weeks have been uncomfortable, difficult and very distressing for many of us—I will not pretend otherwise. No one would believe me if I did. Howeve...
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The only thing that I would say in response to that is that the SNP lecturing Reform on sleaze is like Lord Mandelson selling ethics lessons. No one is buying it.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I say to Amanda Lindsay that I might take more seriously the notion that my party operated like a syndicate if her party was not one that had been formed as a private limited company that is owned by one individual. Let us just remember where we are all starting from. Interrup...
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Yet, when it comes to holding one of its own to account for embezzling party funds, the urgency mysteriously disappears.Meanwhile, Scottish Labour, which called this debate, might want to reflect on its party’s sleazy history. After all, its hero, Lord Mandelson, was twice for...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
The member must be heard.
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Instead of full transparency, we have had silence, deflection and obstruction. The First Minister likes to lecture others about integrity, yet he still refuses to put country before party. If he truly believes in restoring public trust, he must stop hiding behind lawyers and f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Katy Clark) Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
No, no, minister. The member does not have to take interventions.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Ah, come on!
Amanda Lindsay Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Forgive me, but I wish to make progress.
Jamie Hepburn SNP Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Will the member give way?
Amanda Lindsay (Central Scot and Lothians West) (Reform) Reform Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I support this debate and back calls for a full parliamentary inquiry into the shocking embezzlement of party funds by Peter Murrell.The Scottish people deserve the truth. For years, the SNP has presented itself as a slick, professional political machine. In reality, it has op...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I think that Anas Sarwar would be horrified if a former or a current leader of a political party told its members how they should vote on a committee decision. Interruption. That is for committees to decide, and I am not going to instruct any—Interruption. Look at him laughing...
Anas Sarwar Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
Mr Harvie says that committees in this Parliament could investigate certain prosecutions. To clarify, if a motion came to the justice committee, would his party support such an investigation by the justice committee?
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
10 Jun 2026
Public Trust in Scottish Politics
I beg your pardon, Presiding Officer. I was just discovering how much some speeches improve when I remove my hearing aids.Sadly, today, we have very much seen the debate that I expected. There has been some opportunistic partisanship dressed up as principled concern, and there...
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Committee

Education and Culture Committee 01 November 2011

01 Nov 2011 · S4 · Education and Culture Committee
Item of business
Educational Attainment of Looked-after Children
Claire Burns (Centre for Excellence for Looked-after Children in Scotland) Watch on SPTV
I will provide some context about my role. I am the strategic policy implementation manager at the new centre for excellence for looked-after children in Scotland, or CELCIS. For the past year, I have also been the programme manager for the looked-after children strategic implementation group, or LACSIG. I bring an understanding of that group’s work, including its consideration of work on the educational attainment of looked-after children.I want to consider five key themes that are pivotal in the inquiry: focusing support where it is more required; care planning for young people; the designated manager’s role in respect of looked-after children; support for families; and throughcare and aftercare. I will talk briefly about each of those themes, if that is okay.On focusing support where it is most required, we acknowledge that there has been progress on educational outcomes for looked-after children. There have been initiatives such as the we can and must do better initiative and roles for designated managers, which have resulted in a significant improvement in the understanding of education staff of their responsibilities and looked-after children’s needs. There has been progress, particularly on school attendance and the educational achievement of looked-after children in foster care and residential care, but we need to focus our attention on children who are looked after at home, as that area is very resistant to change. That seems to be where the real challenge is.The new mechanism for reporting on the educational attainment of looked-after children is much more robust and analytical than the old one, and that has allowed us to focus on where support is required for children who are looked after at home and on the move from primary school to secondary school, which is where the real divergence in attainment between looked-after and non-looked-after children happens. I urge the committee to say that the role of designated managers in schools, for example, needs to be considered and that we need to focus our attention on that.Attendance is the key to attainment. The research tells us that where there is good attendance, there is good attainment. Children who are looked after at home have the lowest attendance of all looked-after children. We urge the committee to consider the role of quality improvement officers in local authorities, who should perhaps have a more rigorous role in looking at the attendance of looked-after children.I will make one more point about attendance. From working with stakeholders, I know that they are really concerned that there is no way of monitoring the significant number of looked-after young people who appear to be in part-time education. It might look as though their attendance has been full, but that might relate to a timetable of one or two days. A more rigorous attempt to quantify attendance is needed. If some young people cannot cope with a full curriculum, we must consider alternative ways of building in a full curriculum for them around other activities that can build their self-esteem and resilience.There has been huge improvement with respect to children’s plans. We know that all looked-after children now have a plan, but where we fall down with our getting it right for every child approach is in the fact that much better co-ordination of services in those plans is still needed. Does the social work plan reflect the importance of educational outcomes? Do teachers know what the care plan looks like? Communication about parts of plans should be better.The other key thing that the research tells us is that the assessments need to be much more focused on outcomes. That is also reflected in comments by the Social Work Inspection Agency and Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Education. We are very good at assessing what the problems are, but we are not good at saying what we will do about them. What are the roles of everybody with corporate parenting responsibilities in that regard? That should be rigorously monitored.On children’s plans, we know that stability in a care placement is important for educational outcomes. I am sure that the committee will want to come back to that issue, on which my colleague from the Fostering Network Scotland will give it more evidence. We know that, if young people have a number of placements, that really disrupts their educational attainment. We need to consider how to co-ordinate all the services so that there is stability in care placements and in relation to health. That will improve educational outcomes.A child’s plan has significant implications for pre-qualifying and post-qualifying training for staff. We know that some of the reviews, such as the Donaldson review, have said that teachers need many more opportunities to work with their colleagues in pre-qualifying roles so that they understand what multidisciplinary work looks like when they are training and can put that understanding into practice.We see the designated manager role as pivotal in improving the educational outcomes of looked-after children, but we think that designated managers need to take on a greater role and that their roles and responsibilities need to be clearer. Teachers need to know not only who the looked-after children are in their school, but how they should lead on innovative practice with those children.There is still some confusion, particularly in secondary schools, about who needs to know what about children and young people. Although we recognise the need to uphold confidentiality requirements, it is clear that teachers cannot work effectively with looked-after children unless they know who those children are and what the issues are.The research tells us that that becomes even more pivotal in secondary school, when a number of different teachers are involved. Children tend to feel less secure in that environment. The role of a designated manager is to ensure that teaching staff take a consistent approach and are informed about looked-after children with regard to behaviour triggers and the challenges that those children face.We emphasise that support for family and carers is pivotal to improving educational outcomes for children who are looked after at home. We know that for a significant number of looked-after children, the ecology of their backgrounds involves parental substance misuse and mental health difficulties, poverty and neglect. It is important that teachers understand how trauma and neglect might impact on the ability of children and young people to manage their education and to manage themselves in an educational setting.We need to consider what works in engaging with parents and carers. We know that early work on literacy and language is important, but many of the parents are not aware of their own literacy levels. It can be a great challenge for them, if there are huge issues around poverty and domestic violence, to work on a one-to-one basis with their children on language and literacy early on. More research is needed on what constitutes effective intervention with families.My colleagues in the looked-after children division in the Scottish Government are producing a rigorous and detailed plan for throughcare and aftercare support. Many looked-after children will finish their education at 16, but we need to support them through that period to adulthood.The research is beginning to tell us that many young people and looked-after children who do not do well at school often use further education as a way back in, but there is a huge drop-out rate. The plan that my colleagues have put together demonstrates that we need to do much more work with residential units, foster carers and the further education sector on how we support adults who were previously looked-after children and who come back into the education system at FE level.There are some issues around FE funding at present, but FE is one of the keys to ensuring that even if young people do not do well at school, we can support them later in life to come back to education.

In the same item of business

The Convener (Stewart Maxwell) SNP
Good morning everybody, and welcome to the ninth meeting in session 4 of the Education and Culture Committee. I remind members and those in the public galler...
Claire Burns (Centre for Excellence for Looked-after Children in Scotland)
I will provide some context about my role. I am the strategic policy implementation manager at the new centre for excellence for looked-after children in Sco...
The Convener SNP
Thank you—that is helpful in providing an overview at the start of our inquiry.You mentioned a range of different carers and professionals who are involved i...
Claire Burns
We need rigorous data that tells us what the differences are between those groups. We need to examine the evidence and to understand why the attendance and a...
The Convener SNP
It was a general question. With regard to some of the specifics, you mentioned professional pre-qualification training. What scope is there for introducing s...
Claire Burns
LACSIG is aware of the need for that and is taking it forward. The champion for the workforce development hub is Anna Fowlie, who is the chief executive of t...
The Convener SNP
I do not mean to be critical as that is all welcome news, but why is it only being thought about now? Why are we only talking about pilots now? The problem i...
Claire Burns
Some of it is already happening, but the research on education attainment is telling us more explicitly all the time that there is a problem. I do not know t...
The Convener SNP
Okay. I have one final question before I throw open the discussion. What efforts is CELCIS making to link the work that it is doing with the work of the vari...
Claire Burns
CELCIS was only launched in September, so we are fairly new, but we recognise that good stakeholder engagement is important and that we must ensure that ther...
The Convener SNP
Thank you. I will bring in the rest of the committee now, beginning with Jean Urquhart.
Jean Urquhart (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Thank you for your presentation. The written submission from CELCIS states that LACSIG will“drive forward an implementation programme to improve outcomes for...
Claire Burns
The looked-after children strategic implementation group came out of the reports from the national residential child care initiative. It was recognised that ...
Jean Urquhart SNP
Your response bears out what is in a lot of our suggested reading material, which shows frustration that a great deal of observation and declaration has take...
Claire Burns
There are ways to drive forward and we are pulling together in the right way. We must be clear about what works. For example, community planning partners’ ro...
Jean Urquhart SNP
What is the most important single first step for a child?
Claire Burns
That is getting the co-ordinated care plan and having a care plan that everybody is involved in, which everybody knows about and which is monitored and revie...
Jean Urquhart SNP
What is the single biggest barrier to getting that care plan?
Claire Burns
It is to do with everybody having ownership of the care plan. One difficulty, which comes out in the Association of Directors of Social Work submission, is t...
Jean Urquhart SNP
Finally on that theme, other than education, there will be different aspects to helping a child attain educationally. What are they, and how do you envisage ...
Claire Burns
We need to ensure that clear support is provided in school and outwith it. I talked about the role of the designated manager in school. They are very much in...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I have a supplementary question on that issue. You talked about the difficulties of putting in place a care plan, which involves co-ordinating a range of pro...
Claire Burns
I am not aware of that. We have not considered that issue, but we could get information on it to you if you want.
Joan McAlpine SNP
The reason why I ask is that I have come across the issue with care plans in other areas. I just wondered if it was an issue with care plans for looked-after...
Claire Burns
From the research, we have not been made aware that there is an issue with staff absenteeism, but we can examine that issue for you. The issue that the resea...
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I have a quick supplementary question. You mentioned that some parents are very involved in schooling. Obviously, the parents of some children who are strugg...
Claire Burns
Yes, I think so, but it should not take the parent out of the equation. As the member will be aware, we do not know about the literacy levels of parents of l...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
My question follows on from Jean Urquhart’s question. I want to focus on identifying what works. This is our first evidence session and you have raised a lot...
Claire Burns
The solution is about both. As I said, the planning and assessment process needs to be more co-ordinated—it needs to be better. That goes in tandem with know...
The Convener SNP
We can raise that with them.