Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 28 March 2012
28 Mar 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
One issue that came through loud and clear in the committee’s inquires on the bill was that of land agents and their practices. In his evidence, NFUS chief executive Scott Walker summed up the situation when he said that
“it is extremely rare for the land agent to be breaking the law ... but we tend to find that some of their practices might leave a little to be desired”.
He called for the introduction of
“a strongly enforced code of practice”
that would be signed up to and—more important—adhered to by all sides of the industry.
Andrew Wood of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors advised the committee that the RICS already has rigorous guidance in place for chartered surveyors, but suggested that the problem is that
“not all agents are chartered surveyors.”
He also pointed out that sharp practice does not happen solely among landlords, but that tenants’ agents can be equally guilty of it. Mr Wood undertook to work up and present a code of conduct to the TFF, with consideration being given to what he termed
“the wider range of people who are involved in advising landlords and tenants and how they might deal with issues.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, 18 January 2012; c 538, 539.]
It was the unanimous view of the committee that greater consistency in practice and behaviour among people who provide land-agency services—whether they act on behalf of landlords or agents, and irrespective of whether or not they hold membership of the RICS—is desirable; that the code must have teeth; and that the Scottish Government should monitor development of the code to ensure that it is fit for purpose. The commitment from the Government to work in partnership with the TFF during the development phase and then to assess the need for further strengthening once it is being utilised is therefore welcome.
It is also positive that Scottish Land & Estates has indicated a willingness to explore proposals to improve relations between tenants, agents and landlords. However, it should be said that that commitment might sit better were it not for the organisation’s other recent pronouncement on the subject. According to its chief executive officer, there is little evidence to support the recent claims regarding the behaviour of landlords and agents. In the organisation’s in-house magazine, he said:
“It is clear to us that there is a determined campaign by those with a land reform agenda to hijack the current constructive discussions around the tenanted sector. The reality is the vast majority of tenants and landlords enjoy healthy working relationships. It is therefore apparent that those generating this propaganda simply want to see the break-up of Scotland’s estates.”
Of course, not all landlords, or those who act for them, behave poorly, but it is to be regretted that SLE appears to adopt that view on such an important issue. The majority of landlord-tenant relationships might function adequately or even well, so to claim that things are almost entirely hunky-dory is somewhat wide of the mark.
The negative influence that individuals or organisations acting as land agents can have on landlord-tenant relationships should not be underestimated. I am aware of one situation in the north-east of Scotland in which a tenant family and their landlord enjoyed a first-class and problem-free relationship for many years. The landlord then changed land agents, after which plans by the tenants to install a wind turbine on their land were met by a demand from the new agent for a cut of the profits from the turbine, which created resentment and mistrust where none had existed. Perhaps more concerning for the wider rural community was that a halt was then called to plans for further diversification that had the potential to create new jobs in the community.
Better regulation of land agents is a must, as is consideration of dispute resolution, which the TFF identified as a priority. The Scottish Government’s commitment to consider the outcome of the work that is being undertaken by TFF member the Scottish Agricultural Arbiters and Valuers Association on developing a short-form rent arbitration system, is also welcome. As the stage 1 report makes clear, there is a need for an appropriate, fast and cost-effective dispute resolution mechanism.
The changes that were brought in by the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 2003 were widely supported at the time on the grounds that the existing set-up was too costly and overly bureaucratic. However, the situation today is that the Scottish Land Court is the only body that can rule on disputes, which is not a viable state of affairs, particularly for people in the tenanted sector. I understand that the Scottish Land Court has settled just one rent-review case since the act came into existence, which is proof—were it needed—that the present arrangements are not fit for purpose.
“it is extremely rare for the land agent to be breaking the law ... but we tend to find that some of their practices might leave a little to be desired”.
He called for the introduction of
“a strongly enforced code of practice”
that would be signed up to and—more important—adhered to by all sides of the industry.
Andrew Wood of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors advised the committee that the RICS already has rigorous guidance in place for chartered surveyors, but suggested that the problem is that
“not all agents are chartered surveyors.”
He also pointed out that sharp practice does not happen solely among landlords, but that tenants’ agents can be equally guilty of it. Mr Wood undertook to work up and present a code of conduct to the TFF, with consideration being given to what he termed
“the wider range of people who are involved in advising landlords and tenants and how they might deal with issues.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, 18 January 2012; c 538, 539.]
It was the unanimous view of the committee that greater consistency in practice and behaviour among people who provide land-agency services—whether they act on behalf of landlords or agents, and irrespective of whether or not they hold membership of the RICS—is desirable; that the code must have teeth; and that the Scottish Government should monitor development of the code to ensure that it is fit for purpose. The commitment from the Government to work in partnership with the TFF during the development phase and then to assess the need for further strengthening once it is being utilised is therefore welcome.
It is also positive that Scottish Land & Estates has indicated a willingness to explore proposals to improve relations between tenants, agents and landlords. However, it should be said that that commitment might sit better were it not for the organisation’s other recent pronouncement on the subject. According to its chief executive officer, there is little evidence to support the recent claims regarding the behaviour of landlords and agents. In the organisation’s in-house magazine, he said:
“It is clear to us that there is a determined campaign by those with a land reform agenda to hijack the current constructive discussions around the tenanted sector. The reality is the vast majority of tenants and landlords enjoy healthy working relationships. It is therefore apparent that those generating this propaganda simply want to see the break-up of Scotland’s estates.”
Of course, not all landlords, or those who act for them, behave poorly, but it is to be regretted that SLE appears to adopt that view on such an important issue. The majority of landlord-tenant relationships might function adequately or even well, so to claim that things are almost entirely hunky-dory is somewhat wide of the mark.
The negative influence that individuals or organisations acting as land agents can have on landlord-tenant relationships should not be underestimated. I am aware of one situation in the north-east of Scotland in which a tenant family and their landlord enjoyed a first-class and problem-free relationship for many years. The landlord then changed land agents, after which plans by the tenants to install a wind turbine on their land were met by a demand from the new agent for a cut of the profits from the turbine, which created resentment and mistrust where none had existed. Perhaps more concerning for the wider rural community was that a halt was then called to plans for further diversification that had the potential to create new jobs in the community.
Better regulation of land agents is a must, as is consideration of dispute resolution, which the TFF identified as a priority. The Scottish Government’s commitment to consider the outcome of the work that is being undertaken by TFF member the Scottish Agricultural Arbiters and Valuers Association on developing a short-form rent arbitration system, is also welcome. As the stage 1 report makes clear, there is a need for an appropriate, fast and cost-effective dispute resolution mechanism.
The changes that were brought in by the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 2003 were widely supported at the time on the grounds that the existing set-up was too costly and overly bureaucratic. However, the situation today is that the Scottish Land Court is the only body that can rule on disputes, which is not a viable state of affairs, particularly for people in the tenanted sector. I understand that the Scottish Land Court has settled just one rent-review case since the act came into existence, which is proof—were it needed—that the present arrangements are not fit for purpose.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02495, in the name of Richard Lochhead, on the Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill. I call ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and the Environment (Richard Lochhead)
SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer.This Government has two key policy objectives for tenant farming in Scotland: first, to ensure that tenant farmers have legislat...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I call Rob Gibson to speak on behalf of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee.14:44
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
There is an old Highland joke about a croft being a small piece of land surrounded entirely by large amounts of legislation. Given the amount of legislation ...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Rob Gibson
SNP
I will take a brief one. I have a lot to say.
Alex Fergusson
Con
Given that the tax regime is the same throughout the United Kingdom and that farm business tenancies south of the border are similar to limited duration tena...
Rob Gibson
SNP
I think that there has been enough speculation, but I suppose that, even in the member’s devo plus proposals, there might be a decision to take forward these...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to be speaking in this afternoon’s debate. As an MSP who is not on the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, I thank the comm...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Con
The Scottish Conservatives are pleased to support the bill’s general principles. A vibrant tenanted sector is vital to Scottish farming. As a Parliament, we ...
Annabelle Ewing (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
SNP
John Lamont will obviously have read the committee’s wonderful report, which he was involved in producing. Paragraph 37, which refers to the oral evidence th...
John Lamont
Con
That was very helpful, but it does not necessarily mean that I have to agree with that view. I agree with the cabinet secretary’s view that there could be un...
Annabelle Ewing (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
SNP
Although I have the privilege of being the deputy convener of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, I speak not on behalf of the commi...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
It might seem to be a great leap of imagination to compare this consensual stage 1 debate on the Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill with the r...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP)
SNP
One issue that came through loud and clear in the committee’s inquires on the bill was that of land agents and their practices. In his evidence, NFUS chief e...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
You must close now, please.
Graeme Dey
SNP
The TFF is looking to arbitration as a way in which to resolve that issue. I suggest that that is the way forward.15:17
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP)
SNP
I am pleased to speak in this stage 1 debate. Although I am not a member of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, my Economy, Energy a...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD)
LD
I declare a farming interest.The provisions in the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Bill are overdue. It is important that trust between tenants and landlord...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
SNP
As many members have already discussed the “near relatives” provision in the bill, I will not go down that route. Instead, I want to focus not on the legisla...
David Stewart
Lab
Does the member share my view that tenants are concerned about Lord Gill’s decision in the Court of Session, which effectively says that the Scottish Parliam...
Dennis Robertson
SNP
We are moving forward and the bill and amendments to it will try to address what happened in 2003.We certainly need to consider the arbitration provisions in...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
The bill aims to create a better environment for the letting of farmland to the tenant farming sector of the agricultural industry and to encourage new entra...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Presiding Officer, as a former member of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee—although, to be frank, if you had blinked, you would hav...
David Stewart
Lab
The Court of Session overturned the Scottish Land Court in relation to the role of single farm payments and argued that they are a factor in open-market rent...
Mark McDonald
SNP
A number of factors prevent new entrants from coming into the sector—I certainly do not think that there is just a single contributory factor in that regard....
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Con
This has been a welcome debate on the general principles of the Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill.I am happy to welcome the three changes to ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to speak in this debate, which is so significant for Scotland’s vibrant agriculture sector. I thank the cabinet secretary for setting the contex...
Alex Fergusson
Con
Why does the member feel that disharmony would be a good thing in an area—that is, the TFF—where harmony exists?
Claudia Beamish
Lab
That is certainly not what I am saying. Whenever consensus is possible, it is an excellent idea. However, a range of perspectives must be taken into account,...