Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 19 January 2012
19 Jan 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Agenda for Cities
I accept the report and its contention that cities are a good thing; that Scotland has some; and that they are generally to be commended. Indeed, I share the ambition and am broadly sympathetic to the approach. Nevertheless, I have to say that the dynamic that will deliver it is to be found not in the chamber but in the entrepreneurial ability of those in the cities who function in the civic and corporate worlds or in the private sector to realise the potential that I think we are all seeking to achieve.
It is so unusual and rare for a Conservative in this chamber to be confronted with a motion that mentions
“attracting large-scale private sector investment”
in such a positive way that I would support it several times over just for that phrase. However, I point out to those who embrace such an idea that we need to be careful about the language that we use about the private sector. The producers of alcohol in Scotland, who are huge contributors to the Scottish economy, are not wicked; the producers of oil in the North Sea are not polluting evildoers; and those who are involved in the private healthcare sector are not just profiteers. We have to recognise that the self-same people on whom the economy relies are the private sector that we are celebrating in this motion.
When I looked at the structure of the Scottish cities alliance, I thought, “Well—fine.” However, my one concern, which I hope the cabinet secretary and all those involved in the alliance will share, is that the structure must not become an end in itself. The problem with community health partnerships was that the clinicians withdrew because they thought the whole thing had become bureaucratic and there was really no point to it. It is crucial for business and all the other parties that the structure seeks to embrace to believe that it does something and does not just exist. I am sure that that is the intention, but it will be important to drive that forward if it is not, like many other programmes, to become mired in good intentions instead of action.
I found page 12 of the report fascinating, because it illuminated a deep split in the Scottish National Party Government. It says:
“However, for recovery to be sustained—and for faster sustainable economic growth to be delivered—the main driver will be increases in levels of private sector investment. This requires appropriately functioning capital markets, and for a climate to be created where companies and investors with available capital feel confident about investing.”
I realised that that was a call from the Deputy First Minister to the First Minister to accelerate the timescale for the referendum on Scotland’s future in the certain knowledge that the prerequisite for feeling confident about investing is a clear statement on Scotland’s economic future.
Like others in the chamber, I come from a business background. If one reads the report from a business perspective, one has to ask: what do businesspeople think about politicians? Largely, they are oblivious to them and get on with their business without them. Business does what it needs to do. It needs to succeed not because it wants to contribute to a Government strategy but because it has to succeed in order to exist. Business has its own dynamic.
It is so unusual and rare for a Conservative in this chamber to be confronted with a motion that mentions
“attracting large-scale private sector investment”
in such a positive way that I would support it several times over just for that phrase. However, I point out to those who embrace such an idea that we need to be careful about the language that we use about the private sector. The producers of alcohol in Scotland, who are huge contributors to the Scottish economy, are not wicked; the producers of oil in the North Sea are not polluting evildoers; and those who are involved in the private healthcare sector are not just profiteers. We have to recognise that the self-same people on whom the economy relies are the private sector that we are celebrating in this motion.
When I looked at the structure of the Scottish cities alliance, I thought, “Well—fine.” However, my one concern, which I hope the cabinet secretary and all those involved in the alliance will share, is that the structure must not become an end in itself. The problem with community health partnerships was that the clinicians withdrew because they thought the whole thing had become bureaucratic and there was really no point to it. It is crucial for business and all the other parties that the structure seeks to embrace to believe that it does something and does not just exist. I am sure that that is the intention, but it will be important to drive that forward if it is not, like many other programmes, to become mired in good intentions instead of action.
I found page 12 of the report fascinating, because it illuminated a deep split in the Scottish National Party Government. It says:
“However, for recovery to be sustained—and for faster sustainable economic growth to be delivered—the main driver will be increases in levels of private sector investment. This requires appropriately functioning capital markets, and for a climate to be created where companies and investors with available capital feel confident about investing.”
I realised that that was a call from the Deputy First Minister to the First Minister to accelerate the timescale for the referendum on Scotland’s future in the certain knowledge that the prerequisite for feeling confident about investing is a clear statement on Scotland’s economic future.
Like others in the chamber, I come from a business background. If one reads the report from a business perspective, one has to ask: what do businesspeople think about politicians? Largely, they are oblivious to them and get on with their business without them. Business does what it needs to do. It needs to succeed not because it wants to contribute to a Government strategy but because it has to succeed in order to exist. Business has its own dynamic.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-01740, in the name of Nicola Sturgeon, on the agenda for cities.14:57
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy (Nicola Sturgeon)
SNP
This is an important debate not only for our cities, but for the regions in which they sit and, I argue, for all of Scotland. It is good to see so many membe...
Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
Scottish Labour welcomes the debate and the publication of the strategy for cities, which can help to shape the Scottish Government’s cities policy and provi...
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP)
SNP
Does the member acknowledge that the cities growth fund was rolled into the local government allocation that the cities received?
Drew Smith
Lab
I entirely accept that point, but rolling the fund into the allocation meant that it was used to pursue the Scottish Government’s priorities, whereas its pur...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
Well, I had good news and bad news. The good news was a call from the business team, saying that the Conservative spokesman had an opportunity in this aftern...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Lab
Do it!
Jackson Carlaw
Con
I am tempted, but I do not know whether it will help the Presiding Officer to stretch out the afternoon.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
Please do not do it, Mr Carlaw.
Jackson Carlaw
Con
I accept the report and its contention that cities are a good thing; that Scotland has some; and that they are generally to be commended. Indeed, I share the...
Drew Smith
Lab
I commend to the member the Glasgow Economic Commission, which has involved the private sector in its work; indeed, the Glasgow Chamber of Commerce is one of...
Jackson Carlaw
Con
I fully accept that point, but I am sure that Mr Smith would accept that, as they go about their day, most businesspeople concentrate on their business. I do...
Nicola Sturgeon
SNP
They are certainly not watching Mr Carlaw.
Jackson Carlaw
Con
I am the first to admit that they would be very disappointed if they were watching this afternoon.Businesses do what they need to do, and businesspeople want...
Maureen Watt
SNP
Will the member give way?
Jackson Carlaw
Con
Of course. Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Can we have Maureen Watt’s microphone on, please?
Maureen Watt
SNP
It was my fault; I did not have my card in.The member should get out a bit more. What he calls for is precisely what is happening in Aberdeen, where people a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I would be grateful if you could come to a conclusion, Mr Carlaw.
Jackson Carlaw
Con
I will do so by saying that my son is at university in Aberdeen, so I get to visit Aberdeen quite regularly. I congratulate Maureen Watt on what will be an e...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
We now move to the open debate. Although we are not awash with time, we have a little bit of leeway for interventions.15:28
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP)
SNP
Members will not be surprised to hear that my speech will focus on my home city, Dundee.The opening statement by the cabinet secretary, the additional £2 mil...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
The member and I both welcomed this week’s announcement of the enterprise zone. Has he had any indication from his Government about what form the incentives ...
Joe FitzPatrick
SNP
Dundee City Council is engaging with the cabinet secretary to ensure that, by working together, Dundee and Edinburgh get the best impact for us. It is import...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I would be grateful if the member could start to conclude.
Joe FitzPatrick
SNP
The development of Dundee as a base for renewables and the site of the V&A would not have come about were it not for the support of Dundee City Council, whic...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I remind members that if they wish to speak in the debate, they should press their request-to-speak buttons, and that if they intervene, they should then pre...
John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate. I want to focus on the challenges for the Fife region of being between two of Scotland’s largest cities—Dun...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
SNP
I thank John Park for his thought-provoking speech, which touched on issues that concern me, too. I will talk about community involvement and community benef...
Drew Smith
Lab
The member can correct me if I am wrong, but has the SNP group in Glasgow City Council not expressed concerns about that project? It has not supported a spee...