Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 15 March 2012
15 Mar 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Library of Scotland Bill: Stage 1
I was going to whisper at the start of my speech, but that would have been a cheap and obvious libraries joke, and I would never indulge in such a thing.
It is fair to say that, in the current climate of economic turmoil, rising unemployment and constitutional niceties, libraries are not the most high-profile subject. Nevertheless, we should not underestimate the importance of ensuring effective running and retention of our public libraries as a vital cog in the social fabric.
Historically, libraries have played a major role in the self-improvement of many of our citizens. I welcome the bill and the fact that it does not threaten to close down library provision. It seeks to give the National Library of Scotland governance arrangements that are necessary for it to meet the needs and demands that are being placed upon it.
Sadly, I am afraid that many communities across the UK are seeing libraries being closed or threatened with closure as cuts to local government and austerity policies bite ever harder. I know that we are here today to consider the National Library of Scotland and the proposed changes to its governance, but before doing so, I will expand briefly on the importance of libraries in general because they are vital tools in helping people to achieve and learn. The self-education of many working-class people has been facilitated through libraries, and reading promotes and encourages self-development. Libraries allow people, irrespective of their income, to borrow the same books and read the same material, and that is genuine equality of access.
I was delighted to hear the cabinet secretary herself mention socialism. Libraries are, of course, an expression of municipal socialism in practice. The labour movement has always promoted education as being one of the greatest tools to foster social, economic, and personal change, and libraries have a key role to play in that. At this time of forced austerity and the on-going attack on public services, we must be ever vigilant and we must guard against the threat of library closures. Libraries are often seen as easy targets and are wrongly categorised as being somehow superfluous. Of course, they are not; they are an essential part of the community and part of a group of cherished public services that are a civilising force in our society.
Of course, in this day and age, libraries are about more than just books; modern libraries are about exhibitions, displays, digital and film archives, web development, service collaboration, archiving and genealogy, as well as being a traditional source of reference and reading materials. Libraries can provide many of our young people with a sanctuary in which to study in quiet and with space, which might not be available in their family homes.
The National Library of Scotland is one of Scotland’s most important and valued public resources. The cabinet secretary mentioned that it was established in 1925. It is right that we now consider its management and governance, and look for ways to ensure that it continues as an effective and respected Scottish institution.
Past and present boards and trustees appear to have done a very good job, which is evident as soon as we walk through the doors of the National Library. When the committee visited, we were able to see the work that goes on there and to experience and taste the unique atmosphere of the place. However, the governance of the NLS is in need of reform—a point that was made in 2006 by the Labour-led Scottish Executive. To my mind, there is a compelling case for the NLS to streamline its governance. I have sat on many a board and committee in my time, so I can see how a board of 32 people might be somewhat unwieldy and could result in a logjam in the decision-making process, but I was surprised to hear the cabinet secretary say that there might be a change to the number of board members. At the committee, she expressed a preference for seven or possibly nine members. We are now being told that the number could be as high as 19.
It is fair to say that, in the current climate of economic turmoil, rising unemployment and constitutional niceties, libraries are not the most high-profile subject. Nevertheless, we should not underestimate the importance of ensuring effective running and retention of our public libraries as a vital cog in the social fabric.
Historically, libraries have played a major role in the self-improvement of many of our citizens. I welcome the bill and the fact that it does not threaten to close down library provision. It seeks to give the National Library of Scotland governance arrangements that are necessary for it to meet the needs and demands that are being placed upon it.
Sadly, I am afraid that many communities across the UK are seeing libraries being closed or threatened with closure as cuts to local government and austerity policies bite ever harder. I know that we are here today to consider the National Library of Scotland and the proposed changes to its governance, but before doing so, I will expand briefly on the importance of libraries in general because they are vital tools in helping people to achieve and learn. The self-education of many working-class people has been facilitated through libraries, and reading promotes and encourages self-development. Libraries allow people, irrespective of their income, to borrow the same books and read the same material, and that is genuine equality of access.
I was delighted to hear the cabinet secretary herself mention socialism. Libraries are, of course, an expression of municipal socialism in practice. The labour movement has always promoted education as being one of the greatest tools to foster social, economic, and personal change, and libraries have a key role to play in that. At this time of forced austerity and the on-going attack on public services, we must be ever vigilant and we must guard against the threat of library closures. Libraries are often seen as easy targets and are wrongly categorised as being somehow superfluous. Of course, they are not; they are an essential part of the community and part of a group of cherished public services that are a civilising force in our society.
Of course, in this day and age, libraries are about more than just books; modern libraries are about exhibitions, displays, digital and film archives, web development, service collaboration, archiving and genealogy, as well as being a traditional source of reference and reading materials. Libraries can provide many of our young people with a sanctuary in which to study in quiet and with space, which might not be available in their family homes.
The National Library of Scotland is one of Scotland’s most important and valued public resources. The cabinet secretary mentioned that it was established in 1925. It is right that we now consider its management and governance, and look for ways to ensure that it continues as an effective and respected Scottish institution.
Past and present boards and trustees appear to have done a very good job, which is evident as soon as we walk through the doors of the National Library. When the committee visited, we were able to see the work that goes on there and to experience and taste the unique atmosphere of the place. However, the governance of the NLS is in need of reform—a point that was made in 2006 by the Labour-led Scottish Executive. To my mind, there is a compelling case for the NLS to streamline its governance. I have sat on many a board and committee in my time, so I can see how a board of 32 people might be somewhat unwieldy and could result in a logjam in the decision-making process, but I was surprised to hear the cabinet secretary say that there might be a change to the number of board members. At the committee, she expressed a preference for seven or possibly nine members. We are now being told that the number could be as high as 19.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-02332, in the name of Fiona Hyslop, on the National Library of Scotland Bill.14:55
The Cabinet Secretary for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop)
SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on the general principles of the National Library of Scotland Bill. I thank the people who gave evidence and I thank the conv...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
On behalf of the Education and Culture Committee, I make clear from the outset our unanimous support for the general principles of the National Library of Sc...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
I was going to whisper at the start of my speech, but that would have been a cheap and obvious libraries joke, and I would never indulge in such a thing.It i...
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
In my opening remarks, I indicated that I would be willing to move the bottom end from seven up to nine. The range of board membership will be very similar t...
Neil Findlay
Lab
That is helpful.Reform is also about meeting challenges and embracing wider societal and technological change, and it is clear that the NLS has been proactiv...
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
With regard to a number of points that Neil Findlay has raised, it is important to look again at the functions of the NLS. If it did anything to jeopardise a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
You must come to a close.
Neil Findlay
Lab
Parts of the bill are to be welcomed, but others raise questions about the role of libraries in general and the specific nature of the NLS. I raise those iss...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
I apologise on behalf of my colleague Annabel Goldie, who is, sadly, not well today, and thank my colleague Alex Johnstone, who has come into the hot seat at...
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
I remind the member that for the Public Service Reform (Scotland) Bill the Conservatives lodged an amendment that would have given ministers greater power to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
You are in your last minute, Ms Smith.
Liz Smith
Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer.I accept what the cabinet secretary said. Others were also a bit concerned about the issue. Ministerial power should be about be...
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I am a proud Lanarkshire lass who was born in Motherwell, which is one of the burghs that were blessed with the gift of a Carnegie library. I spent much of m...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
The National Library of Scotland is an extremely important resource for the people of Scotland, so any changes to its structure and operating procedures must...
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
I will come back to the issue of charitable status in my closing remarks, but I ask the member to acknowledge that some of the comments that he referred to w...
Mark Griffin
Lab
I take that on board, and I appreciate that OSCR has confirmed that the power of direction would not impede the library having charitable status.However, the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I am glad to hear it. I need to ask you to finish.
Mark Griffin
Lab
That issue should be at the forefront of any changes to the library, and I hope that the cabinet secretary and the new board will give it due consideration.1...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
SNP
I begin by making two declarations of interest: as many members know, I am a member of the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals; and,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
We are slightly tight for time, so I ask members to stick to their six minutes, please, if they can.15:49
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
As I worked in libraries for many years, I start by putting on record my appreciation for the good work of libraries across Scotland and for the National Lib...
Marco Biagi (Edinburgh Central) (SNP)
SNP
I declare an interest, which has already been alluded to. As the MSP for Edinburgh Central, I am one of the ex officio members of the board of the National L...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
I congratulate the cabinet secretary on the tone and content of her speech, much of which anticipated comments that I was going to make, and I welcome the an...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
Little did I think when I got up this morning that I would find myself speaking in a debate on the National Library of Scotland. Nevertheless, to my surprise...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Can you come to a conclusion, please?
Alex Johnstone
Con
Indeed. Much more could be said on the subject, but given my lack of expertise it would make good sense for me to thank the cabinet secretary for her concess...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Given the lack of time, I am grateful to you.16:13
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Lab
This has been a consensual debate, which has reflected the consensual nature of the committee’s discussions. I welcome Alex Johnstone to the world of culture...
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
I thank the members who have spoken in the debate, and I would say that Alex Johnstone is living testament to the fact that libraries broaden the mind. I am ...