Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 23 November 2011
23 Nov 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Carers and Young Carers Strategy
Last Friday, I was at the Carers Link East Dunbartonshire annual general meeting. In the past year, Carers Link East Dunbartonshire has identified and supported 285 new carers and has directly supported 689 carers. Each of those carers saves East Dunbartonshire Council £17,242 per annum. That is a total saving to the council of £11.9 million per annum. In saluting the workers at Carers Link East Dunbartonshire, where I used to work, as I should have said to begin with, and carers across East Dunbartonshire, of whom I am one, I want to look at two areas of the carers strategy: carers’ rights and carer training.
The carers’ rights charter, when it comes, will be very welcome, as it will enshrine the mantra, which we often hear, that carers are equal partners in the delivery of care. Like Alison McInnes, I am pleased that that mantra will have a legislative underpinning in the forthcoming self-directed support bill. If the bill ends the situation in which direct payments can be made to carers only in exceptional circumstances, and such payments instead become the norm, we will be able to tackle carer poverty for the first time. As Bill Kidd said, carers live in poverty. We cannot directly address the £59.35 per week carers allowance—that pittance from the UK Government, to receive which someone has to be caring for 35 hours per week—but with direct payments to carers we can help them out of poverty.
With direct payments to carers, we will ensure also that we place carers at the heart of commissioning services and that they have access to appropriate training. Above all, we will acknowledge the reality that carers are doing the caring already. For most of those who are cared for by unpaid carers, be those carers family members or friends, that is who they want to be cared for by, not by the paid care workforce.
The evidence shows that, if we train our unpaid carers, not only are they able to give better care to those they care for, it is better for the carers’ own confidence, ability and health. I make a suggestion to the minister that I have made on many previous occasions and will continue to make. Local authorities and health boards should include carers in their care workforce training, especially in medication management, and moving and handling. I was pleased to see in the carers strategy that the Scottish National Party Government has given £281,000 to carers organisations and that the NHS boards will be asked to make a training offer to carers, because that underlines the fact that carers should not be paying to be trained to do their caring. Carers save Scotland more than £7 billion per annum.
I love Siobhan McMahon’s idea of a carers card, which I was going to suggest in an earlier debate on the back of the young carers card, which I welcome. I am not a wee, shy carer, as I am sure most members will agree, but there are often times when I am admitting my mum into hospital when I would just love to have a card to hand over that would show that I was a carer and would list her conditions. She has certain conditions that I cannot refer to in front of her, because she does not appreciate that she has them. Obviously, I will not mention them on the record.
I know that I am short of time, Presiding Officer, so I will not go into detail about two local problems in East Dunbartonshire that I wanted to raise, but I will put them on the record. The Labour-Tory administration in East Dunbartonshire Council has decided that, for someone to get care from the council, their need has to be severe or critical, so the council has done away with supporting carers and those who need care in a preventative manner. Further, I heard just recently that it is being considered that respite transport costs will have to be met by those getting the respite. I welcome the minister’s announcement of £2 million for short breaks for carers. I hope that East Dunbartonshire Council will think again about introducing transport costs for those accessing respite.
It is difficult to sum up in six minutes all that I have learned as a carer over the past 22 years, but I think that what we have heard in the chamber today will show that personal testimony in this area is powerful and instructive. I thank all those MSPs who have shadowed carers. Tommy Whitelaw has been referred to, and I urge members to look at his on-tour blog, which had me in tears—I had to run out of the committee room. He did it to me again last Friday at the Carers Link East Dunbartonshire annual general meeting, when he showed his blog again, and again I was out in tears. I also refer members to Kris Rodden, a young man of 28, who I went on a walk with on Sunday to raise awareness of dementia and to raise money for Dementia Awareness.
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The carers’ rights charter, when it comes, will be very welcome, as it will enshrine the mantra, which we often hear, that carers are equal partners in the delivery of care. Like Alison McInnes, I am pleased that that mantra will have a legislative underpinning in the forthcoming self-directed support bill. If the bill ends the situation in which direct payments can be made to carers only in exceptional circumstances, and such payments instead become the norm, we will be able to tackle carer poverty for the first time. As Bill Kidd said, carers live in poverty. We cannot directly address the £59.35 per week carers allowance—that pittance from the UK Government, to receive which someone has to be caring for 35 hours per week—but with direct payments to carers we can help them out of poverty.
With direct payments to carers, we will ensure also that we place carers at the heart of commissioning services and that they have access to appropriate training. Above all, we will acknowledge the reality that carers are doing the caring already. For most of those who are cared for by unpaid carers, be those carers family members or friends, that is who they want to be cared for by, not by the paid care workforce.
The evidence shows that, if we train our unpaid carers, not only are they able to give better care to those they care for, it is better for the carers’ own confidence, ability and health. I make a suggestion to the minister that I have made on many previous occasions and will continue to make. Local authorities and health boards should include carers in their care workforce training, especially in medication management, and moving and handling. I was pleased to see in the carers strategy that the Scottish National Party Government has given £281,000 to carers organisations and that the NHS boards will be asked to make a training offer to carers, because that underlines the fact that carers should not be paying to be trained to do their caring. Carers save Scotland more than £7 billion per annum.
I love Siobhan McMahon’s idea of a carers card, which I was going to suggest in an earlier debate on the back of the young carers card, which I welcome. I am not a wee, shy carer, as I am sure most members will agree, but there are often times when I am admitting my mum into hospital when I would just love to have a card to hand over that would show that I was a carer and would list her conditions. She has certain conditions that I cannot refer to in front of her, because she does not appreciate that she has them. Obviously, I will not mention them on the record.
I know that I am short of time, Presiding Officer, so I will not go into detail about two local problems in East Dunbartonshire that I wanted to raise, but I will put them on the record. The Labour-Tory administration in East Dunbartonshire Council has decided that, for someone to get care from the council, their need has to be severe or critical, so the council has done away with supporting carers and those who need care in a preventative manner. Further, I heard just recently that it is being considered that respite transport costs will have to be met by those getting the respite. I welcome the minister’s announcement of £2 million for short breaks for carers. I hope that East Dunbartonshire Council will think again about introducing transport costs for those accessing respite.
It is difficult to sum up in six minutes all that I have learned as a carer over the past 22 years, but I think that what we have heard in the chamber today will show that personal testimony in this area is powerful and instructive. I thank all those MSPs who have shadowed carers. Tommy Whitelaw has been referred to, and I urge members to look at his on-tour blog, which had me in tears—I had to run out of the committee room. He did it to me again last Friday at the Carers Link East Dunbartonshire annual general meeting, when he showed his blog again, and again I was out in tears. I also refer members to Kris Rodden, a young man of 28, who I went on a walk with on Sunday to raise awareness of dementia and to raise money for Dementia Awareness.
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In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-01399, in the name of Michael Matheson, on implementation of the carers and young carers strategy.14:33
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson)
SNP
I open the debate by acknowledging the huge commitment and support that is provided by Scotland’s estimated 650,000 carers and up to 100,000 young carers. Un...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I certainly do not doubt the minister’s intention, but how is the Government going to monitor the situation to ensure that that happens? It is what happens o...
Michael Matheson
SNP
We have 32 local delivery change plans in place. They must be signed off by the health board, the local authority and the third sector. When a bid is made fo...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I call Richard Simpson to speak to and move amendment S4M-1399.3. Dr Simpson, you have 10 minutes. 14:48
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome this opportunity to open and close this important debate. My colleague Claire Baker will talk in more detail about child and student carers, as wel...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
With regard to the financial impact, does Dr Simpson share my regret that the carers allowance remains such a pitiful sum, and excludes many carers—particula...
Dr Simpson
Lab
I agree with Mark McDonald on that, and I add that the Welfare Reform Bill will not help matters, because some carers will lose their allowance as people wil...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
The member needs to wind up.
Dr Simpson
Lab
We acknowledge the Government’s motion.I move amendment S4M-01399.3, to leave out from “agrees” to end and insert:“further acknowledges promises in successiv...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
In recognising the enormous contribution that carers and young carers make to society and to the Scottish economy through the considerable sums of money that...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD)
LD
If we asked for a show of hands from members who are either carers or who know of someone close to them who is a carer, we would have an almost 100 per cent ...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
SNP
The minister made it clear in his speech just how much the Scottish Government recognises the debt that Scotland owes to its carers and the huge role that th...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to take part in this debate on carers. My family chose to be carers—they made a positive decision to take on the responsibility of ...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP)
SNP
First, I declare an interest as co-convener of the current cross-party group on carers, having been a deputy convener of the group in session 3 of the Parlia...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I very much welcome the strategy and the strong statement of intent that it contains. It is clear from what the minister has said, and indeed from the increa...
Siobhan McMahon (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
When I read the Government’s carers strategy, one passage immediately stood out:“Carers are ... fundamental to strong families and partnerships and to resili...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
I suspend the meeting until the sound gets sorted out.15:35 Meeting suspended. 15:44 On resuming—
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
If members are sitting comfortably, we will begin again. I invite Siobhan McMahon to resume at an appropriate place in her speech; we will be generous with t...
Siobhan McMahon
Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I apologise for breaking the system.A recurrent problem with Government strategies is the glaring contrast between the words on...
Linda Fabiani (East Kilbride) (SNP)
SNP
I am aware of X and I am glad that Siobhan McMahon has raised her case. Does the member agree that sometimes the intention to help people does not work out? ...
Siobhan McMahon
Lab
I could not agree more. Those problems will develop as we go forward in life, as challenges face us.Local authorities must view the provision of short breaks...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I am sorry about the interruption. I call Fiona McLeod, who will have a very tight six minutes. Others may have to reduce their speeches.15:50
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
SNP
Last Friday, I was at the Carers Link East Dunbartonshire annual general meeting. In the past year, Carers Link East Dunbartonshire has identified and suppor...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
SNP
I would like to look at the issue in the context of the fact that my wife and I are now both carers for an extremely elderly relative. I acknowledge that our...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome this opportunity to speak in the debate on the Government’s strategy for carers, especially as carers’ rights day will take place on Friday 2 Decem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The member must conclude, please.
Margaret McCulloch
Lab
—but they are all to be praised for the service that they give and the sacrifices that they make.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I call George Adam, who has a maximum of six minutes.16:08
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP)
SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—I will try to be as succinct as possible in order to let other colleagues in. I see that members are laughing, but I promise tha...