Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 23 November 2011
23 Nov 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Carers and Young Carers Strategy
I welcome the opportunity to take part in this debate on carers. My family chose to be carers—they made a positive decision to take on the responsibility of looking after an elderly relative in their home. Young carers often do not have a choice, however, and I will focus my remarks on young carers.
It is essential that Scotland’s young carers are supported and given the same opportunities as their peers to reach their full potential. The price of caring for a loved one should not be a young person’s childhood, their access to education and their right to achieve their full potential. Caring is a huge responsibility that involves complex emotions and relationships. For some young carers, it can be overwhelming and can impact negatively on their health, education and ability to do well at school, as well as on their freedom to socialise and share experiences with their peer group. We must do all that we can to provide support and opportunities for children and young people for whom caring is a part of their life and family.
The young carers strategy was welcome as a way to progress the agenda for young carers. The issue now is all about implementation and ensuring that there is no gap between the rhetoric and the reality. We cannot expect overnight changes, but we must be mindful that, although a five-year strategy is perhaps deliverable, five years in the life of a child or young person is a long time and so progress must be further prioritised. The sooner much of the good work that is identified in the COSLA report that was published in August is turned from a pilot into a service that can be embedded in schools, the NHS and communities, the better.
This week, the Education and Culture Committee visited St Benedict’s primary school in Glasgow as part of our inquiry into the educational attainment of looked-after children. We went to see the Place2Be project, which is run by a charity that works in schools to improve children’s confidence and wellbeing. Only a small percentage of children in the school are looked after, but the project was overwhelmed by the desire of children to have a safe, welcoming and supportive environment to discuss their worries and fears. We are rethinking the way in which our schools support the health and wellbeing of children. That type of highly accessible and universally provided service reduces stigma and supports children to cope with their life outside school and to focus on their learning when they are in school. That is a valuable approach for all children, but it also goes some way towards supporting young carers in education, so we should extend it.
It is estimated that there are more than 100,000 young carers in Scotland, but fewer than 4,000 of them are supported by dedicated young carers services. The young carers strategy identified young carers as being very much a hidden population; they are not recognised by services that could support them and often do not recognise themselves as young carers.
The COSLA report this year highlights the groundwork that is being undertaken throughout Scotland to address the situation by improving identification of young carers and information sharing, both in the interests of the young person and by increasing their engagement in care decisions, as the minister highlighted in his discussion of the pilots that some NHS boards are running.
That is only part of the solution. We need to ensure that once young carers are identified and they look to access services and support, those services are available. We cannot ignore the financial pressures across the public and voluntary sectors, but we need to build capacity and sustainability into services. That need is perhaps most acute in mental health. Self-help resources have been developed with a toolkit to follow, but we all know that child and adolescent mental health is a Cinderella service with long waiting lists that does not adequately address the needs of too many young people.
The Government’s motion gives a financial commitment on carers of older people, but can the minister provide more detail on whether the Scottish futures fund will deliver for young carers? What is the outcome of discussions with COSLA and the NHS on their contribution to the fund?
In the previous session of Parliament, serious concerns were raised about the £34 million that was allocated for disabled children and their families. Although the money was passed to local authorities, there was a lack of evidence that it always reached the families and children it was intended for. In his opening statement, the minister recognised that there are similar issues in the delivery of respite care. Today’s announcement of £2 million for a fund for short breaks for disabled children is welcome, but the Government needs to ensure that there is a secure delivery mechanism so that the money for vulnerable children reaches them.
Finally, I will mention young adult carers and the challenges of transition to adulthood. Through the fair to care campaign, the National Union of Students Scotland’s women’s campaign is focusing on the particular problems faced by student carers. We all know that financial difficulties impact on students’ studies. Student carers can be forced to choose between student funding and carers allowance and, due to caring responsibilities, do not have the same opportunity as other students to find part-time work. At university or college it can be difficult to access non-financial support such as counselling, but the pressure of caring means that they may need additional support. There is a need for institutions to be more responsive to the needs of carer students and for the student support system to recognise student carers’ responsibilities.
I will close with a comment on kinship carers. Alongside the clear need for services, there is the reality of the poverty faced by kinship carers, most commonly grandparents who are struggling on low incomes and face rising prices and increasing pressure on fuel costs while they try to meet the needs of a child or children. There continues to be a postcode lottery of financial support for kinship carers. I appreciate that the situation is complex and interacts with the benefits system, but there is a continuing need for the Scottish Government to take the lead with local authorities and the United Kingdom Government to resolve this frustrating and unacceptable situation.
There is much consensus on the issue. Although the Labour amendment challenges the Government on the progress that is being made, we can unite around the challenge that must be met.
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It is essential that Scotland’s young carers are supported and given the same opportunities as their peers to reach their full potential. The price of caring for a loved one should not be a young person’s childhood, their access to education and their right to achieve their full potential. Caring is a huge responsibility that involves complex emotions and relationships. For some young carers, it can be overwhelming and can impact negatively on their health, education and ability to do well at school, as well as on their freedom to socialise and share experiences with their peer group. We must do all that we can to provide support and opportunities for children and young people for whom caring is a part of their life and family.
The young carers strategy was welcome as a way to progress the agenda for young carers. The issue now is all about implementation and ensuring that there is no gap between the rhetoric and the reality. We cannot expect overnight changes, but we must be mindful that, although a five-year strategy is perhaps deliverable, five years in the life of a child or young person is a long time and so progress must be further prioritised. The sooner much of the good work that is identified in the COSLA report that was published in August is turned from a pilot into a service that can be embedded in schools, the NHS and communities, the better.
This week, the Education and Culture Committee visited St Benedict’s primary school in Glasgow as part of our inquiry into the educational attainment of looked-after children. We went to see the Place2Be project, which is run by a charity that works in schools to improve children’s confidence and wellbeing. Only a small percentage of children in the school are looked after, but the project was overwhelmed by the desire of children to have a safe, welcoming and supportive environment to discuss their worries and fears. We are rethinking the way in which our schools support the health and wellbeing of children. That type of highly accessible and universally provided service reduces stigma and supports children to cope with their life outside school and to focus on their learning when they are in school. That is a valuable approach for all children, but it also goes some way towards supporting young carers in education, so we should extend it.
It is estimated that there are more than 100,000 young carers in Scotland, but fewer than 4,000 of them are supported by dedicated young carers services. The young carers strategy identified young carers as being very much a hidden population; they are not recognised by services that could support them and often do not recognise themselves as young carers.
The COSLA report this year highlights the groundwork that is being undertaken throughout Scotland to address the situation by improving identification of young carers and information sharing, both in the interests of the young person and by increasing their engagement in care decisions, as the minister highlighted in his discussion of the pilots that some NHS boards are running.
That is only part of the solution. We need to ensure that once young carers are identified and they look to access services and support, those services are available. We cannot ignore the financial pressures across the public and voluntary sectors, but we need to build capacity and sustainability into services. That need is perhaps most acute in mental health. Self-help resources have been developed with a toolkit to follow, but we all know that child and adolescent mental health is a Cinderella service with long waiting lists that does not adequately address the needs of too many young people.
The Government’s motion gives a financial commitment on carers of older people, but can the minister provide more detail on whether the Scottish futures fund will deliver for young carers? What is the outcome of discussions with COSLA and the NHS on their contribution to the fund?
In the previous session of Parliament, serious concerns were raised about the £34 million that was allocated for disabled children and their families. Although the money was passed to local authorities, there was a lack of evidence that it always reached the families and children it was intended for. In his opening statement, the minister recognised that there are similar issues in the delivery of respite care. Today’s announcement of £2 million for a fund for short breaks for disabled children is welcome, but the Government needs to ensure that there is a secure delivery mechanism so that the money for vulnerable children reaches them.
Finally, I will mention young adult carers and the challenges of transition to adulthood. Through the fair to care campaign, the National Union of Students Scotland’s women’s campaign is focusing on the particular problems faced by student carers. We all know that financial difficulties impact on students’ studies. Student carers can be forced to choose between student funding and carers allowance and, due to caring responsibilities, do not have the same opportunity as other students to find part-time work. At university or college it can be difficult to access non-financial support such as counselling, but the pressure of caring means that they may need additional support. There is a need for institutions to be more responsive to the needs of carer students and for the student support system to recognise student carers’ responsibilities.
I will close with a comment on kinship carers. Alongside the clear need for services, there is the reality of the poverty faced by kinship carers, most commonly grandparents who are struggling on low incomes and face rising prices and increasing pressure on fuel costs while they try to meet the needs of a child or children. There continues to be a postcode lottery of financial support for kinship carers. I appreciate that the situation is complex and interacts with the benefits system, but there is a continuing need for the Scottish Government to take the lead with local authorities and the United Kingdom Government to resolve this frustrating and unacceptable situation.
There is much consensus on the issue. Although the Labour amendment challenges the Government on the progress that is being made, we can unite around the challenge that must be met.
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In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-01399, in the name of Michael Matheson, on implementation of the carers and young carers strategy.14:33
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson)
SNP
I open the debate by acknowledging the huge commitment and support that is provided by Scotland’s estimated 650,000 carers and up to 100,000 young carers. Un...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I certainly do not doubt the minister’s intention, but how is the Government going to monitor the situation to ensure that that happens? It is what happens o...
Michael Matheson
SNP
We have 32 local delivery change plans in place. They must be signed off by the health board, the local authority and the third sector. When a bid is made fo...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I call Richard Simpson to speak to and move amendment S4M-1399.3. Dr Simpson, you have 10 minutes. 14:48
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome this opportunity to open and close this important debate. My colleague Claire Baker will talk in more detail about child and student carers, as wel...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
With regard to the financial impact, does Dr Simpson share my regret that the carers allowance remains such a pitiful sum, and excludes many carers—particula...
Dr Simpson
Lab
I agree with Mark McDonald on that, and I add that the Welfare Reform Bill will not help matters, because some carers will lose their allowance as people wil...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
The member needs to wind up.
Dr Simpson
Lab
We acknowledge the Government’s motion.I move amendment S4M-01399.3, to leave out from “agrees” to end and insert:“further acknowledges promises in successiv...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
In recognising the enormous contribution that carers and young carers make to society and to the Scottish economy through the considerable sums of money that...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD)
LD
If we asked for a show of hands from members who are either carers or who know of someone close to them who is a carer, we would have an almost 100 per cent ...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
SNP
The minister made it clear in his speech just how much the Scottish Government recognises the debt that Scotland owes to its carers and the huge role that th...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to take part in this debate on carers. My family chose to be carers—they made a positive decision to take on the responsibility of ...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP)
SNP
First, I declare an interest as co-convener of the current cross-party group on carers, having been a deputy convener of the group in session 3 of the Parlia...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I very much welcome the strategy and the strong statement of intent that it contains. It is clear from what the minister has said, and indeed from the increa...
Siobhan McMahon (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
When I read the Government’s carers strategy, one passage immediately stood out:“Carers are ... fundamental to strong families and partnerships and to resili...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
I suspend the meeting until the sound gets sorted out.15:35 Meeting suspended. 15:44 On resuming—
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
If members are sitting comfortably, we will begin again. I invite Siobhan McMahon to resume at an appropriate place in her speech; we will be generous with t...
Siobhan McMahon
Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I apologise for breaking the system.A recurrent problem with Government strategies is the glaring contrast between the words on...
Linda Fabiani (East Kilbride) (SNP)
SNP
I am aware of X and I am glad that Siobhan McMahon has raised her case. Does the member agree that sometimes the intention to help people does not work out? ...
Siobhan McMahon
Lab
I could not agree more. Those problems will develop as we go forward in life, as challenges face us.Local authorities must view the provision of short breaks...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I am sorry about the interruption. I call Fiona McLeod, who will have a very tight six minutes. Others may have to reduce their speeches.15:50
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
SNP
Last Friday, I was at the Carers Link East Dunbartonshire annual general meeting. In the past year, Carers Link East Dunbartonshire has identified and suppor...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
SNP
I would like to look at the issue in the context of the fact that my wife and I are now both carers for an extremely elderly relative. I acknowledge that our...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome this opportunity to speak in the debate on the Government’s strategy for carers, especially as carers’ rights day will take place on Friday 2 Decem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The member must conclude, please.
Margaret McCulloch
Lab
—but they are all to be praised for the service that they give and the sacrifices that they make.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I call George Adam, who has a maximum of six minutes.16:08
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP)
SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—I will try to be as succinct as possible in order to let other colleagues in. I see that members are laughing, but I promise tha...