Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 23 November 2011
23 Nov 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Carers and Young Carers Strategy
I agree with Mark McDonald on that, and I add that the Welfare Reform Bill will not help matters, because some carers will lose their allowance as people will be excluded from claiming disability living allowance. There will be more problems coming our way rather than fewer.
I have one specific health question for the minister. The carers strategy mentions encouraging carers to get the flu jag. We are currently in the flu season, but what has been done to promote the jag? I have seen nothing much in the way of advertising, and I know that many carers are not aware of it.
One of the fundamentals is that care should be personalised, and that carers and those who are cared for should be treated as equals in the process. I acknowledge that the Government has done a considerable amount to try to engage carers in various situations. Earlier this year, I asked the First Minister specifically about emergency plans. I welcome the work that is being done with Enable Scotland in that regard, but we have a very long way to go.
I turn now to the issue of learning disability to demonstrate how we are failing. In 2008, the Scottish Consortium for Learning Disability showed that there were 7,793 adults with learning difficulties and autism who were known to local authorities in Scotland and living with a carer, representing about 48 per cent of the adults for whom that information was reported. We also know that 4,000 individuals with a learning disability are in specialist learning disability residential care. That is fine. However, at this moment—as we are debating—there are 1,000 individuals with learning disabilities in residential homes for the elderly where the average age is well into the 80s and where the care packages are not suitable for younger people with learning disabilities. Of those 1,000 people, 400 are aged under 65 and many—if not all—of them have been placed in those homes as a result of the failure to have effective emergency planning in place. Once they are admitted, they do not leave residential care. I ask that that be looked at carefully.
We are all agreed that much greater emphasis should be placed on anticipatory and preventative care for both the cared for and the carer. However, although that can be quite simple to do, it is not happening. We know from Audit Scotland that the opposite is happening. The threshold for community care packages is rising year on year, and people now have to be in serious need of care before they can get a care package. The opposite of what we all want is happening, driven in part by the budgetary problems. Will the change fund solve that? We will see. I welcome the change fund and the fact that 20 per cent of it is to be devoted to carers. However, the change fund is already in operation. Will it change next year, following next year’s budget?
Another major issue that we all face is the integration of health and social care. The strategy tells us that carers should be represented on all the community health partnerships. I ask the minister what progress has been made on that. Will the charter of carers’ rights be published next month, as was agreed?
Respite is a crucial element of care. The minister has answered some of the criticisms that I was going to make about double counting. I hope that the data is now being collected accurately, as that was not being done well. I praise the six local authorities that have increased their provision, but some local authorities have cut provision, which cannot be appropriate. If they had maintained provision, that might have been adequate, but we know that what is happening is not adequate. There is a postcode lottery out there, which will be a real challenge for the Government.
Carer information on early diagnosis is critical. The Government has done quite a lot on that through the carer information zone, Care Information Scotland and the other things to which the minister referred.
Emotional support is also important, but we have a considerable way to go on that. At the moment, I am dealing with a case involving paediatric occupational therapy, on which I asked a parliamentary question. The waiting lists are up to 24 months for advice to a parent on occupational therapy issues, which is not acceptable.
I have one specific health question for the minister. The carers strategy mentions encouraging carers to get the flu jag. We are currently in the flu season, but what has been done to promote the jag? I have seen nothing much in the way of advertising, and I know that many carers are not aware of it.
One of the fundamentals is that care should be personalised, and that carers and those who are cared for should be treated as equals in the process. I acknowledge that the Government has done a considerable amount to try to engage carers in various situations. Earlier this year, I asked the First Minister specifically about emergency plans. I welcome the work that is being done with Enable Scotland in that regard, but we have a very long way to go.
I turn now to the issue of learning disability to demonstrate how we are failing. In 2008, the Scottish Consortium for Learning Disability showed that there were 7,793 adults with learning difficulties and autism who were known to local authorities in Scotland and living with a carer, representing about 48 per cent of the adults for whom that information was reported. We also know that 4,000 individuals with a learning disability are in specialist learning disability residential care. That is fine. However, at this moment—as we are debating—there are 1,000 individuals with learning disabilities in residential homes for the elderly where the average age is well into the 80s and where the care packages are not suitable for younger people with learning disabilities. Of those 1,000 people, 400 are aged under 65 and many—if not all—of them have been placed in those homes as a result of the failure to have effective emergency planning in place. Once they are admitted, they do not leave residential care. I ask that that be looked at carefully.
We are all agreed that much greater emphasis should be placed on anticipatory and preventative care for both the cared for and the carer. However, although that can be quite simple to do, it is not happening. We know from Audit Scotland that the opposite is happening. The threshold for community care packages is rising year on year, and people now have to be in serious need of care before they can get a care package. The opposite of what we all want is happening, driven in part by the budgetary problems. Will the change fund solve that? We will see. I welcome the change fund and the fact that 20 per cent of it is to be devoted to carers. However, the change fund is already in operation. Will it change next year, following next year’s budget?
Another major issue that we all face is the integration of health and social care. The strategy tells us that carers should be represented on all the community health partnerships. I ask the minister what progress has been made on that. Will the charter of carers’ rights be published next month, as was agreed?
Respite is a crucial element of care. The minister has answered some of the criticisms that I was going to make about double counting. I hope that the data is now being collected accurately, as that was not being done well. I praise the six local authorities that have increased their provision, but some local authorities have cut provision, which cannot be appropriate. If they had maintained provision, that might have been adequate, but we know that what is happening is not adequate. There is a postcode lottery out there, which will be a real challenge for the Government.
Carer information on early diagnosis is critical. The Government has done quite a lot on that through the carer information zone, Care Information Scotland and the other things to which the minister referred.
Emotional support is also important, but we have a considerable way to go on that. At the moment, I am dealing with a case involving paediatric occupational therapy, on which I asked a parliamentary question. The waiting lists are up to 24 months for advice to a parent on occupational therapy issues, which is not acceptable.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick)
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-01399, in the name of Michael Matheson, on implementation of the carers and young carers strategy.14:33
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson)
SNP
I open the debate by acknowledging the huge commitment and support that is provided by Scotland’s estimated 650,000 carers and up to 100,000 young carers. Un...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I certainly do not doubt the minister’s intention, but how is the Government going to monitor the situation to ensure that that happens? It is what happens o...
Michael Matheson
SNP
We have 32 local delivery change plans in place. They must be signed off by the health board, the local authority and the third sector. When a bid is made fo...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
I call Richard Simpson to speak to and move amendment S4M-1399.3. Dr Simpson, you have 10 minutes. 14:48
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome this opportunity to open and close this important debate. My colleague Claire Baker will talk in more detail about child and student carers, as wel...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
With regard to the financial impact, does Dr Simpson share my regret that the carers allowance remains such a pitiful sum, and excludes many carers—particula...
Dr Simpson
Lab
I agree with Mark McDonald on that, and I add that the Welfare Reform Bill will not help matters, because some carers will lose their allowance as people wil...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
The member needs to wind up.
Dr Simpson
Lab
We acknowledge the Government’s motion.I move amendment S4M-01399.3, to leave out from “agrees” to end and insert:“further acknowledges promises in successiv...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
In recognising the enormous contribution that carers and young carers make to society and to the Scottish economy through the considerable sums of money that...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD)
LD
If we asked for a show of hands from members who are either carers or who know of someone close to them who is a carer, we would have an almost 100 per cent ...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
SNP
The minister made it clear in his speech just how much the Scottish Government recognises the debt that Scotland owes to its carers and the huge role that th...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to take part in this debate on carers. My family chose to be carers—they made a positive decision to take on the responsibility of ...
Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP)
SNP
First, I declare an interest as co-convener of the current cross-party group on carers, having been a deputy convener of the group in session 3 of the Parlia...
Mark McDonald (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I very much welcome the strategy and the strong statement of intent that it contains. It is clear from what the minister has said, and indeed from the increa...
Siobhan McMahon (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
When I read the Government’s carers strategy, one passage immediately stood out:“Carers are ... fundamental to strong families and partnerships and to resili...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
I suspend the meeting until the sound gets sorted out.15:35 Meeting suspended. 15:44 On resuming—
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
If members are sitting comfortably, we will begin again. I invite Siobhan McMahon to resume at an appropriate place in her speech; we will be generous with t...
Siobhan McMahon
Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I apologise for breaking the system.A recurrent problem with Government strategies is the glaring contrast between the words on...
Linda Fabiani (East Kilbride) (SNP)
SNP
I am aware of X and I am glad that Siobhan McMahon has raised her case. Does the member agree that sometimes the intention to help people does not work out? ...
Siobhan McMahon
Lab
I could not agree more. Those problems will develop as we go forward in life, as challenges face us.Local authorities must view the provision of short breaks...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
I am sorry about the interruption. I call Fiona McLeod, who will have a very tight six minutes. Others may have to reduce their speeches.15:50
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
SNP
Last Friday, I was at the Carers Link East Dunbartonshire annual general meeting. In the past year, Carers Link East Dunbartonshire has identified and suppor...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
SNP
I would like to look at the issue in the context of the fact that my wife and I are now both carers for an extremely elderly relative. I acknowledge that our...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome this opportunity to speak in the debate on the Government’s strategy for carers, especially as carers’ rights day will take place on Friday 2 Decem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The member must conclude, please.
Margaret McCulloch
Lab
—but they are all to be praised for the service that they give and the sacrifices that they make.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I call George Adam, who has a maximum of six minutes.16:08
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP)
SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—I will try to be as succinct as possible in order to let other colleagues in. I see that members are laughing, but I promise tha...