Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 17 March 2011
17 Mar 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Private Rented Housing (Scotland) Bill
I thank my colleagues on the Local Government and Communities Committee, the committee clerks, the bill team and the minister for their hard work and dedication in bringing forward this important housing bill, which the Liberal Democrats will support at decision time.
The bill will prove to be an important piece of housing legislation, which will protect many vulnerable people while ensuring that private landlords can function in a profitable and good-quality market. The amendments to which we agreed today, the vast majority of which were uncontentious and technical in nature, tidy things up, but given the problems that can arise from subdivision of HMOs and the friction that sometimes exists between permanent residents and students in HMO areas, it was never going to be plain sailing.
Liberal Democrats had sympathy with Ted Brocklebank’s amendment 15, on overprovision of HMOs, although we were concerned that it could restrict the availability and raise the price of student accommodation in our university towns and cities. The amendment seems to block further HMOs, but in fact it gives local authorities an option to restrict the number of HMOs, to suit local needs. As Ted Brocklebank said, the provision is not retrospective, which is important.
The Liberal Democrats hope that amendment 15 will not be used to restrict student accommodation unnecessarily and to drive up costs for those least able to afford it. We have some concerns about the possible adverse effect on our student populations, but that must be balanced against the needs of permanent residents in our towns and cities. On balance, we agreed with amendment 15, and we hope that it will be used wisely by our local authority colleagues to ensure a good balance of accommodation needs for all residents.
Pauline McNeill’s amendment 1 proved just as controversial—and Alex Johnstone has just referred to the oddness of the vote. On first reading, amendment 1 seemed to be a bit all over the place. It seemed to provide more questions than answers. However, we examined it more closely and again, on balance, we felt that it provided important protection not just to the residents of subdivided accommodation but to other residents outwith subdivided properties. A lot of this bill’s aim is about discouraging landlords from practices such as subdivision and ensuring that they are able to operate in a fair and profitable market.
There has also been some disagreement over Mary Mulligan’s amendment 2. Mary, never one to court controversy—much—has upset the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities over her subsections (2)(c) and (2)(d), which COSLA claims will
“place unrealistic expectations on local government.”
In the Local Government and Communities Committee, through a number of bills and Scottish statutory instruments, I have highlighted similar concerns on a number of occasions. However, with a number of possible uses of parts of this bill, we feel that a reporting mechanism is essential to ensure that the bill is used wisely once enacted.
This bill has been one of the more difficult to work through for a whole host of reasons. Amendments at both stage 2 and stage 3 have been controversial but, on balance, we feel that it will lead to a very worthwhile piece of legislation. The Liberal Democrats will be happy to support the bill at decision time.
The bill will prove to be an important piece of housing legislation, which will protect many vulnerable people while ensuring that private landlords can function in a profitable and good-quality market. The amendments to which we agreed today, the vast majority of which were uncontentious and technical in nature, tidy things up, but given the problems that can arise from subdivision of HMOs and the friction that sometimes exists between permanent residents and students in HMO areas, it was never going to be plain sailing.
Liberal Democrats had sympathy with Ted Brocklebank’s amendment 15, on overprovision of HMOs, although we were concerned that it could restrict the availability and raise the price of student accommodation in our university towns and cities. The amendment seems to block further HMOs, but in fact it gives local authorities an option to restrict the number of HMOs, to suit local needs. As Ted Brocklebank said, the provision is not retrospective, which is important.
The Liberal Democrats hope that amendment 15 will not be used to restrict student accommodation unnecessarily and to drive up costs for those least able to afford it. We have some concerns about the possible adverse effect on our student populations, but that must be balanced against the needs of permanent residents in our towns and cities. On balance, we agreed with amendment 15, and we hope that it will be used wisely by our local authority colleagues to ensure a good balance of accommodation needs for all residents.
Pauline McNeill’s amendment 1 proved just as controversial—and Alex Johnstone has just referred to the oddness of the vote. On first reading, amendment 1 seemed to be a bit all over the place. It seemed to provide more questions than answers. However, we examined it more closely and again, on balance, we felt that it provided important protection not just to the residents of subdivided accommodation but to other residents outwith subdivided properties. A lot of this bill’s aim is about discouraging landlords from practices such as subdivision and ensuring that they are able to operate in a fair and profitable market.
There has also been some disagreement over Mary Mulligan’s amendment 2. Mary, never one to court controversy—much—has upset the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities over her subsections (2)(c) and (2)(d), which COSLA claims will
“place unrealistic expectations on local government.”
In the Local Government and Communities Committee, through a number of bills and Scottish statutory instruments, I have highlighted similar concerns on a number of occasions. However, with a number of possible uses of parts of this bill, we feel that a reporting mechanism is essential to ensure that the bill is used wisely once enacted.
This bill has been one of the more difficult to work through for a whole host of reasons. Amendments at both stage 2 and stage 3 have been controversial but, on balance, we feel that it will lead to a very worthwhile piece of legislation. The Liberal Democrats will be happy to support the bill at decision time.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan)
SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-8128, in the name of Alex Neil, on the Private Rented Housing (Scotland) Bill.15:45
The Minister for Housing and Communities (Alex Neil)
SNP
I am pleased to open the debate and to move the motion in my name.I thank the Local Government and Communities Committee for its detailed consideration of th...
Tricia Marwick (Central Fife) (SNP)
SNP
Will the minister assure the chamber that the powers that the bill establishes will force local authorities to act when private landlords do not live up to t...
Alex Neil
SNP
I agree with Tricia Marwick that enforcement is crucial. The powers are now well in place and I believe that the local authorities have the tools to do the j...
Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab)
Lab
I am sure that I am not the only one who feels a sense of achievement when we reach stage 3 of a bill, and that is especially true when one has been particul...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
The Conservatives support and will vote for the bill.Going through the process has been interesting and certain aspects of today’s procedures have been parti...
Jim Tolson (Dunfermline West) (LD)
LD
I thank my colleagues on the Local Government and Communities Committee, the committee clerks, the bill team and the minister for their hard work and dedicat...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
SNP
We now move to the open debate.16:07
Anne McLaughlin (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
Sometimes it might seem to people as if we in this Parliament are navel gazing or talking only to ourselves, but nothing could be further from the truth. Thi...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill) (Lab)
Lab
Although the bill is one of the last that we shall consider in this session of the Parliament, its gestation has been fairly long. Most of its provisions wer...
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
It was a privilege to be a member of the committee that examined the bill. It was clear that not all local authorities have taken a vigorous approach to land...
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to make a brief contribution. In the stage 1 debate I spoke exclusively on the rogue landlord aspects of the bill, given the antiso...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I start by saying something that I think that we all agree on: the private rented sector must become increasingly important in the provision of good-quality,...
Jim Tolson
LD
One principal element of the bill is the measures on the registration of private landlords. Alex Neil said that the bill is targeted at a minority of landlor...
Ted Brocklebank (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
In winding up for the Conservatives today, I begin what will possibly be my final contribution in this place by saying how grateful I am for the kind words o...
Alex Neil
SNP
Can the member confirm that he is registered? Laughter.
Ted Brocklebank
Con
Absolutely, as the minister will discover if he checks the register of landlords.However, there have been problems. Pauline McNeill and Patricia Ferguson all...
Mary Mulligan
Lab
I offer my best wishes to Ted Brocklebank for all that he has done, particularly today. He said that his closing speech will probably be his last contributio...
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson)
NPA
Given Patricia Ferguson’s earlier warning about what Alex Neil is capable of doing in an empty house, I am a little bit loth to let him loose on a fairly emp...
Alex Neil
SNP
I am delighted that Mary Mulligan is confident that I am going to be the minister moving the commencement order after the election.Earlier, when we were disc...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Michael Russell)
SNP
Indeed.
Alex Neil
SNP
This has been a consensual debate, with good contributions from throughout the chamber. It is appropriate that it has been consensual, because the issue that...
Bob Doris
SNP
I just want to add to the list the Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Act 2010, under which all evictions for mortgage arrears must call in court, w...
Alex Neil
SNP
That is a good point from Mr Doris. I am always one to undersell our achievements. Laughter. The legislation is extremely important, but it is also importan...
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
Does the minister accept that the issue is not just the location of the judgment but the courts having an understanding of the effects that behaviour can hav...
Alex Neil
SNP
Absolutely. My view is that some kind of tribunal system may be more appropriate, certainly in some circumstances, than a case immediately going to the sheri...