Committee
Audit Committee, 02 Sep 2003
02 Sep 2003 · S2 · Audit Committee
Item of business
“Supporting prescribing in general practice”
I am grateful for that diplomatic response. I hope that we will have the opportunity to probe the matter further.The first of my two final questions concerns the link with clinical audit, which has been mentioned. The Auditor General and Barbara Hurst have both referred to the parallel work that various bodies are carrying out; however, I wonder whether they will tell us a wee bit more about the connection between Audit Scotland's work and clinical audit. As Margaret Jamieson pointed out, it is important that the two should work in tandem.I note an awful lot of emphasis on what trusts and, in turn, NHS boards should do. However, not so much has been said about what should be done to influence individual practitioner practice, which is the key to much if not all of this matter. I wonder whether Audit Scotland could comment on measures that could be taken in our medical schools during medical training to influence practitioner practice and prescribing.
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The Convener:
Con
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Mr Black:
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Barbara Hurst (Audit Scotland):
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Margaret Jamieson:
Lab
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Lab
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Lab
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Mr Black:
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Mr Kenny MacAskill (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
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Barbara Hurst:
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Susan Deacon:
Lab
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The Convener:
Con
We will come back to those.
Mr Black:
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Barbara Hurst:
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Susan Deacon:
Lab
I am grateful for that diplomatic response. I hope that we will have the opportunity to probe the matter further.The first of my two final questions concerns...
Barbara Hurst:
I will have a go at those questions.As far as clinical audit is concerned, I should have mentioned in response to one of Margaret Jamieson's questions the ro...
Susan Deacon:
Lab
What about the question of training?
Barbara Hurst:
The training of doctors has come up as an issue in a study that we have started on the use of medicines in hospitals. I think that you are right to highlight...
George Lyon (Argyll and Bute) (LD):
LD
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Barbara Hurst:
I am going to cop out, slightly, of answering that question until we do a bit more work. A lot of money is certainly going into the IT budget, but we need to...
The Convener:
Con
Okay?
George Lyon:
LD
That did not answer any of my questions.
Mr Black:
I apologise for repeating what I said a moment ago, but I should point out that we must always operate within the boundaries of the evidence that we find and...
The Convener:
Con
Obviously we can discuss the matter when it comes back on to the agenda.
Rhona Brankin (Midlothian) (Lab):
Lab
I wanted to pursue the issue of sharing good practice, which links into the business of information and communication technology and how people access what i...
Barbara Hurst:
The committee could certainly explore that area. The situation is fairly ad hoc at the moment; for example, good practice might not be universally shared eve...
The Convener:
Con
I think that we have exhausted our questions, but we will discuss later how the committee will approach the matter. I thank Barbara Hurst for answering the c...