Committee
Justice 2 Committee, 04 Mar 2003
04 Mar 2003 · S1 · Justice 2 Committee
Item of business
Judicial Appointments
I am pleased to have the opportunity to talk about the matter and I welcome the committee's interest in exploring it. I believe that the formation of the independent Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland to advise the First Minister and me on the appointment of Scotland's judges, sheriffs principal and sheriffs was one of the Executive's early successes. I had long held the view that the time was right to change the arrangements for appointing people to those key public judicial offices. I am pleased to say that there was ministerial agreement on the importance of early action on that and that the decision to create the board was made within two years of the Parliament's establishment.I saw an independent board as being able to deliver three main objectives: first, there would be a system that ensures the appointment to the bench of the best candidates; secondly, there would be a system that is truly independent of undue influence from the Executive; and thirdly, there would be a system that society at large sees as fair and independent.After setting the objectives, our next consideration was to choose the make-up of the membership to deliver on those objectives. My view was that there should be substantial involvement of people from outside the legal profession, and that the chairman of the board should be a lay person. As a result, the board has five lay members, including chairman Sir Neil McIntosh, who has a distinguished record of public service in a number of fields. Five members have legal backgrounds, including representation from the judiciary and both branches of the legal profession. An important consideration is that the legally qualified members of the board must be satisfied about the legal ability of any candidate.Before the board was established, voices were raised against the proposal that there should be a lay chairman and it was argued that legal representation should comprise the majority. Those concerns have proved to be totally unfounded; board members have worked well together and the diversity of their backgrounds has been a strength, rather than a weakness. Those are not my views; they are the chairman's. I am sure that he would readily corroborate that if members chose to take evidence from him directly. I always believed that the combination of legal and lay membership was the right approach if Parliament and the public were to be persuaded that the board properly represented the community. That is why we held fast against opposition to our suggestion about the composition of the board. I believe that the results have proved us to have been right.The board is wholly independent. My department provides secretarial support, but beyond that the board meets without any input from officials or ministers. The sole exception is when the board asks for an official to attend to provide advice on a particular piece of business. The committee can have confidence that the board makes decisions in its own way. All vacancies for posts are advertised publicly by the board, which then considers applications and draws up a shortlist for interview. Referee reports are called for and shortlisted candidates have the opportunity to make a presentation as part of the interview process.Although I stress the board's independence, ministers have issued guidance on matters such as openness and fairness of proceedings and—this is important—the board has been asked to widen the search for possible candidates. The aim is to ensure that the judiciary is as representative as possible of the community that it serves. I know that the board takes those responsibilities seriously, but it is perhaps a little early to look for positive results on them. However, the board is attending to those matters and I look forward to the results that it will produce in due course.The board has got off to a good start, beginning from scratch and with a clean sheet in a sensitive and important area of public life. The board's approach to the task has been commendable and its determination to produce a fair and open system of appointments has been apparent from the outset.As politicians, we can have confidence in the new institution and in the recommendations that it will deliver. The board was set up administratively in the first instance, but we have given a commitment to put it on a statutory basis. That will happen after there has been a bit more experience of operating administratively, so that there exists the ability, and there has been the time, to get the statutory provisions right. In the meantime, I am sure that the chairman and members of the board would agree that operating under a non-statutory framework has not hampered their work in any way.I was also invited to comment on the disclosure by the judiciary of membership of the freemasons or other societies. My views on that were conveyed in my private secretary's letter to the committee on 27 November; they have not changed much, if at all. As I see it, all judges and sheriffs take a solemn oath on taking office that they will do right towards all manner of people without fear or without favour. I believe that members of our judiciary take those responsibilities seriously, and would not be deflected from their course because someone who appeared before them was or was not a member of any particular club or society.I do not feel able to say much more on the subject today because, as the committee might be aware, a case is currently before the High Court relating to membership of the Speculative Society of Edinburgh. That case also touches on freemasonry. Their lordships have heard all the arguments and have retired to consider their decision. We should wait to see what the judges have to say before revisiting the subject. However, I would be happy to answer the committee's questions on anything that I have said.
In the same item of business
The Convener:
Lab
Item 5 on the agenda is on judicial appointments. Members have a note from the clerk on the matter and will recall that, in our forward planning, we wanted t...
Mr Wallace:
LD
I am pleased to have the opportunity to talk about the matter and I welcome the committee's interest in exploring it. I believe that the formation of the ind...
The Convener:
Lab
Have you noticed any changes in the appointment system since the new board came into being? For instance, can you tell at this stage whether we are going to ...
Mr Wallace:
LD
No. As I said, it is early. So far, the board has made only three recommendations that have been carried through—two judges and one sheriff principal. When o...
The Convener:
Lab
What is the difference in the new system that will effect that change? What precisely will bring about that change?
Mr Wallace:
LD
Part of it is the old but important adage that not only should justice be done, it should be seen to be done. There was a perception under the old system tha...
The Convener:
Lab
That is what I am trying to get at. What would a future applicant think was fair about the system? Is the board expected to have objective criteria and does ...
Mr Wallace:
LD
Absolutely.
The Convener:
Lab
I am trying to get to the nub of the issue. Why would you have any more confidence that the present panel of people will bring about change? In what way is t...
Mr Wallace:
LD
There was no panel of people before, and no system—there were conversations and soundings.
The Convener:
Lab
I understand that, but I am trying to get you to say what it is about the panel that will bring about change. It has been suggested to me that nothing has ch...
Mr Wallace:
LD
I am not sure on what basis anyone could have made that allegation. The system is fundamentally different.
The Convener:
Lab
You used the word "perception", and I am using the same word.
Mr Wallace:
LD
I am not sure how, on the basis of three appointments, anyone could say that nothing has changed. We may have to wait and see the shrieval appointments. Ther...
The Convener:
Lab
I will conclude on this point. You made the fair point that there have been only three appointments, but I am sure that other members will ask you questions ...
Mr Wallace:
LD
There are two key points. First, the board has been asked to consider how it could encourage a wider pool of applicants from which to select. Although these ...
Bill Aitken:
Con
Obviously, we agree that it is too early to make a definitive judgment on the success or otherwise of the new system. While some of us might have thought tha...
Mr Wallace:
LD
It would be wholly inappropriate for them to sit on the board under those circumstances. I can give an assurance that they would not be eligible to sit on th...
Bill Aitken:
Con
Basically, we are all shooting at the same goal—we want to get the best people to do the job.
Mr Wallace:
LD
Absolutely. That must be the most important thing.
Bill Aitken:
Con
And that is irrespective of gender, race or whatever. I presume that you are satisfied that the new board will achieve that.
Mr Wallace:
LD
I am indeed. Ability is the most important criterion, which is why I said that the legal members of the board would assess the level of legal qualification a...
Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
The establishment of the Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland represents a huge, and very welcome, change to the system. I would be interested to hear ab...
Mr Wallace:
LD
The circumstances would be very exceptional. The Scotland Act 1998 is constructed in such a way that we have no choice in the matter. The First Minister is r...
Mr Hamilton:
SNP
Looking at things the other way round, I presume that you would think it unacceptable for any Executive to prescribe a policy base for appointment. It would ...
Mr Wallace:
LD
I think that that would be inappropriate, although I would draw a distinction between that and encouraging the board to find ways to attract a wider range of...
Mr Hamilton:
SNP
That is interesting. That means that the board is not simply considering the individual merits of the candidates; it also has the capacity to look at the bro...
Mr Wallace:
LD
No—that is not what I said. If the Lord President said that what he and the bench needed to fill a vacancy and to strengthen the bench was someone with exper...
Mr Hamilton:
SNP
I turn to the petition on freemasonry that the committee has been dealing with. You said that there is a limit to what you can say on something that is still...
Mr Wallace:
LD
I am aware of the substantial material that was sent by Mr Minogue, the petitioner, which arrived with officials in the justice department yesterday. I have ...