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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 17 September 2020

17 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Employment Support

I welcome the opportunity to discuss the support that is needed to help employers retain jobs across the UK and, where that is not possible, to help people who find themselves unemployed to get a job. The figures are stark—on a scale hitherto unseen—and will worsen substantially when the job retention scheme comes to an end in October.

Without the option of furlough, millions of workers across the UK would have found themselves immediately unemployed with no income and no idea of when, or if, they would be able to find work again. That includes more than 800,000 workers in Scotland who are on the furlough scheme. Estimates suggest that, when furlough unwinds, as many as 350,000 people in Scotland could find themselves out of work.

According to the Institute for Public Policy Research, 34 per cent of young people will lose their jobs when furlough ends—that is 100,000 young people. That will be the highest level of youth unemployment ever seen in this country. That is truly catastrophic. We need radical action if we are not to condemn a generation of young people to the dole queue. Anything that we do must be about providing real hope and opportunity—and we have to do that quickly; we cannot afford to wait.

The past few weeks have shown that the virus is far from over, which in turn means that the problems that Covid-19 has created for business and industry are not over either. It therefore makes almost no sense to end the job retention scheme next month. Employers need continuing support.

We need the job retention scheme to continue in some form. I have argued before for sector-specific deals, which means support for those industries that have been worst hit by the pandemic and where there is no certainty for their employees. That support must be tailored to the needs, strengths and weaknesses of the Scottish economy.

Our economy has a greater reliance on sectors such as tourism and hospitality, aviation—as we debated yesterday—and oil and gas than economies elsewhere in the UK. A sector-specific approach would be a sensible one to take. Equally, I want both Governments to invest in growing particular sectors such as the financial services and information technology sectors, to drive forward increased employment opportunities. Waiting until businesses fail is not an option, and we should be working with the Confederation of British Industry Scotland, the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, the Federation of Small Businesses and others to identify those areas at risk and invest. Let us have interventions that address the issues that are being faced by those in work who might be made redundant, in order to prevent job losses.

We also need to focus quickly on implementing the Scottish Government’s proposals to tackle the widespread unemployment that we are already experiencing. This is without doubt the biggest economic issue of our times and we cannot afford to sit around and wait for the UK Government to act. The situation requires the Scottish and UK Governments to work together.

I fully support the Alliance for Full Employment that Gordon Brown has initiated with the Welsh Government and metro mayors of cities and regions across England. It is hugely important to come together and act together on the employment crisis, mobilising all the resources across the UK to end the recession and create good-quality jobs. The AFE is a great initiative—it is exactly what is needed. Will the Scottish Government join in? Will it co-operate with others across the UK to focus on jobs? I will be happy to take an intervention from the minister if he wants to tell us. Yes or no?

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The next item of business is a debate on S5M-22731, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on employment support. I invite members who wish to speak in the debate to ...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Back in April, the Scottish Government welcomed the introduction of the United Kingdom’s job retention scheme. The furlough scheme has maintained the viabili...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
If Murdo Fraser can explain why that is a sensible thing to do, I will happily give way.
Murdo Fraser Con
I am grateful to the minister for giving way so early in his speech. At this early stage, I wanted him to set out on the record that the UK furlough scheme h...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I am happy to concede that the UK furlough scheme has been an excellent initiative. That might be why I am here urging the UK Government to extend such a sen...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I support the motion and the minister’s contribution so far. Back in June, the Parliament agreed to set out in financial terms the total sum of what the bene...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Just yesterday, as I have alluded to, the chief economic adviser published a full assessment of the benefits of the introduction of the furlough scheme. I re...
Willie Rennie LD
Will the minister gave way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I am afraid not, Mr Rennie. I am happy to give way in closing. In calling for the UK Government to extend the furlough scheme, I recognise the role that thi...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
How many young people will the £60 million youth guarantee scheme provide for?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
The fundamental principle of the scheme is to guarantee every young person in Scotland the chance to get employment, education or training. I am not suggesti...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
No one should be under the illusion that we face anything less than a full-blown jobs crisis. The latest figures show that Scotland now has the highest unemp...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I thank Maurice Golden for taking an intervention. I have just one point to make. Last week, in a debate in the House of Commons, the Chief Secretary to the ...
Maurice Golden Con
I thank George Adam for that intervention. If we listen to the SNP, the Scottish Government paper “COVID-19: Analysis of Extending the Coronavirus Job Reten...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member give way?
Maurice Golden Con
I am developing the theme. Spending more increases debt, potentially decreases the credit rating of the UK, will increase the cost of borrowing and risk stag...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Maurice Golden recognises that we are not calling for the scheme to be extended for time without end, but are asking for a sensible extension to support peop...
Maurice Golden Con
The minister should understand the wider economic impact and—as I have mentioned—with regard to increasing borrowing, the risk to the overall deficit. Those ...
Maurice Golden Con
I am going to make progress. I also respect the minister’s and the cabinet secretary’s views on the furlough scheme. If they had listened to SNP back benche...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Maurice Golden Con
I take it that I do not have extra time, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will give you extra time for interventions
Keith Brown SNP
I thank Maurice Golden for giving way. Does he agree with the Resolution Foundation, which has said that the job retention bonus “will not make a major diff...
Maurice Golden Con
Keith Brown, who during his tenure as minister presided over a disastrous economic strategy for Scotland, has a hard neck to try to lecture me on economics. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Do you wish to give way, Mr Golden?
Maurice Golden Con
No, I am going to make progress. More than 2,600 firms have received support worth almost £600 million from the coronavirus business interruption loan schem...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to discuss the support that is needed to help employers retain jobs across the UK and, where that is not possible, to help people w...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
If people approach us and let us know about things, we might consider co-operating with them.
Jackie Baillie Lab
I look forward—